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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

Great game for the most part. Few lapses, but hell it’s their second game together it is to be expected.

IQ had a good game after a slow start. Love his release.

Scottie had a quiet 20 and 8ast. Only 2 reb.

Boucher with 8 Rebs in 13 minutes is exactly what’s needed from him.

GTJ needs to go. Mindz I completely agree that Rozier would be a nice piece on this team.

Pascal was Pascal.

Jakob was also good tonight. 5 blks is huge.

Dennis had a solid game tonight as well

Porter looked like he maybe serviceable at some point.

RJ - Flashes of fantastic ball and flashes of dumb moves. I am one who think he is quite fixable! And can become a great great contributing piece.

But god damn I want Desmond Bane on this team.
 
HabsFan1 said:
Great game for the most part. Few lapses, but hell it’s their second game together it is to be expected.

IQ had a good game after a slow start. Love his release.

Scottie had a quiet 20 and 8ast. Only 2 reb.

Boucher with 8 Rebs in 13 minutes is exactly what’s needed from him.

GTJ needs to go. Mindz I completely agree that Rozier would be a nice piece on this team.

Pascal was Pascal.

Jakob was also good tonight. 5 blks is huge.

Dennis had a solid game tonight as well

Porter looked like he maybe serviceable at some point.

RJ - Flashes of fantastic ball and flashes of dumb moves. I am one who think he is quite fixable! And can become a great great contributing piece.

But god damn I want Desmond Bane on this team.
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Yeah, agreed on pretty much all points. Everyone other than Gary was pulling in the right direction overall tonight.
 
No idea who will be available out there to replace him with. But at this point I’d sell him for whatever the first team offers. No way I resign him.
 
Siakam max deal would be a four year deal right?

He's probably got more trade value on a 4yr deal than he does as an expiring. Especially since any team trading for him now could only offer him i think a 2yr extension right?

I like this balanced trio we have here - Point God Scottie, Inside Scorer Siakam, Outside Scorer Quickley - even if i don't like anything else on this team. Unless we can trade Siak for a Quickley-level young inside scorer i don't really see the point. Just re-sign him. If it works out then good if not we can trade him in a year or two.

While we can blame the coach and the lack of depth for the team apparently underachieving, it's probably just as much due to the fact that they had a glaring hole in their team skillset which is now filled excellently by Quickley.

There's a chance that we have 3 all-star level talents whose games actually complement each other finally (and who all play solid defense) - and that really should be good enough to be a good team right away, even if the depth and coaching isn't good.

I was watching the Lowe trade breakdown last night and was struck by him talking about how well OG would fit in NY (true), but then breaking down the raps as really only having Scottie and Quickley now, with Siakam likely moved. And then i thought to myself wait a second - which trio would I rather have - Scottie/Siakam/Quickley or Brunson/Randle/OG - and realized i'd take the raps trio hands down.

A team like the Knicks probably has better depth with Robinson/Hartenstein/Hart/DiVicenzo/Grimes over Poeltl/Schroder/Barrett/Boucher/Trent but it's not the kind of difference i would crow too much about. And it's something the Raps could improve significantly with a minor smart move or two.
 
zeke said:
Siakam max deal would be a four year deal right?

He's probably got more trade value on a 4yr deal than he does as an expiring. Especially since any team trading for him now could only offer him i think a 2yr extension right?

I like this balanced trio we have here - Point God Scottie, Inside Scorer Siakam, Outside Scorer Quickley - even if i don't like anything else on this team. Unless we can trade Siak for a Quickley-level young inside scorer i don't really see the point. Just re-sign him. If it works out then good if not we can trade him in a year or two.

While we can blame the coach and the lack of depth for the team apparently underachieving, it's probably just as much due to the fact that they had a glaring hole in their team skillset which is now filled excellently by Quickley.

There's a chance that we have 3 all-star level talents whose games actually complement each other finally (and who all play solid defense) - and that really should be good enough to be a good team right away, even if the depth and coaching isn't good.

I was watching the Lowe trade breakdown last night and was struck by him talking about how well OG would fit in NY (true), but then breaking down the raps as really only having Scottie and Quickley now, with Siakam likely moved. And then i thought to myself wait a second - which trio would I rather have - Scottie/Siakam/Quickley or Brunson/Randle/OG - and realized i'd take the raps trio hands down.

A team like the Knicks probably has better depth with Robinson/Hartenstein/Hart/DiVicenzo/Grimes over Poeltl/Schroder/Barrett/Boucher/Trent but it's not the kind of difference i would crow too much about. And it's something the Raps could improve significantly with a minor smart move or two.
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Yeah, that's where I'm at with it as well. I broke it down after the game last night. We have 1.5 seasons before we have to make a cap clearing decision if we just sign Pascal to his extension. We're not likely to want to pay MaxScal, Max Scottie, ~25 million Quickley & RJ & 19 million dollar Jake unless this morphs into a legit contending group and we're willing to go into the luxury.

Pascal's Max would look like this: 45-49-52-56.5

Assuming that and a 30% max Scottie (I'm assuming he's making all NBA either this year or next, it's 25% Max if not), If we lined up our key salaries over the next 5.5 years it's this:
(Including this year)

Pascal: 38-45-49-52-56.5-XXXXXX
Scottie: 8-10-49-52-56.5-XXXXXX
RJ: 24-26-28-30-XXXXX-XXXXXX
IQ: 4-23-25-27-29-31 (IQ is rumoured to be looking for 5/135)
Jake: 19.5-19.5-19.5-19.5 (PO)-XXXXX-XXXXXX

Scottie going from 10-49 is the big jump obviously and just those 5 would cost 170 million with the cap expected to be 164 million (Luxury tax kicking in at probably about 195-200M) so that's not disqualifying unto itself, but you would have to cobble together a bench for less than 30 million. Our bench is kind of shit at the moment and even then it costs 55-60 million, so obvious problem is obvious. With that said, the only player on our roster aside from those 5 with a contract that extends into Scottie's 1st big dollar year is Gradey so it's a blank slate for sorting that out.

I think the obvious path forward is to keep everyone for the time being but do a few things pretty furiously for the next 1.5 years

- Identify cheap bench bodies that can contribute
- Assess RJ....if he turns into what I think he can (and he would only be 24-25 by this time) then 28 million is kind of a steal for that in this cap environment. He would also be a pretty easy and reasonable re-sign as a high level role player (think the Wiggins deal in GSW for example). It would not take much to convince him to stay on a competitive Raptors team and a team friendly deal would be pretty likely given his 100M+ in career earnings by that time and the likelihood of something like 5/150 for him to stay (in a league with a 200M+ cap, that's a good fucking deal...if he develops). If he doesn't sort out some of the shooting and tunnel vision issues, we need a 3/D replacement that is preferably cheaper and that guy is not currently in the organization imo.
- A cheap big/rim runner that does most of the good Jake things would be nice. Healthy Koloko is a possibility, but I would be drafting with this in mind. Seeing Brooklyn go from Jarrett Allen (22nd overall) for cheap to Nick Claxton (31st overall) for cheap is kind of ideal for us moving forward.
 
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Shopping Siakam: 5 potential trades for Raptors star

The Toronto Raptors' long-awaited retooling is finally in full swing.OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuwa, and Malachi Flynn were shipped to the New York Knicks on Saturday in exchange for RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, and a second-round pick, thus commencing the reconstruction of a faulty roster well...
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Is there anything here that might interest you?

I like the GSW deal, because I like Kuminga, but it would be interesting to see Wiggins and RJ on the same Raps team, lol. MU would finally get him... But I know that they are underachieving assets
 
Good with all of that

but it's a pretty easy call IMO to try and shed the Poeltls and RJs if salary is an issue.
 
Im meh on the GSW deal

I'd do it for the Keegan Murray deal but i still dont think Sac does it.

I dont want a grab bag of picks and i dont think i want the Pacer Mav or Hawk stuff
 
Pwner said:
www.thescore.com

Shopping Siakam: 5 potential trades for Raptors star

The Toronto Raptors' long-awaited retooling is finally in full swing.OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuwa, and Malachi Flynn were shipped to the New York Knicks on Saturday in exchange for RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, and a second-round pick, thus commencing the reconstruction of a faulty roster well...
www.thescore.com www.thescore.com

Is there anything here that might interest you?

I like the GSW deal, because I like Kuminga, but it would be interesting to see Wiggins and RJ on the same Raps team, lol. MU would finally get him... But I know that they are underachieving assets
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Honestly the GSW deal looks the least interesting to me.

But some of the names in the other deals - Murray, Johnson, Mathurin - are interesting enough to consider at least.
 
Oh, I just like Kuminga. Dude gives me Randle vibes - just a guy that was drafted in the "mid" lottery, that I liked in his draft year, that took a while to become a high end starting player.

I don't think you need to trade Spicy for him, maybe Trent, but what is in it for GSW?
 
Pwner said:
www.thescore.com

Shopping Siakam: 5 potential trades for Raptors star

The Toronto Raptors' long-awaited retooling is finally in full swing.OG Anunoby, Precious Achiuwa, and Malachi Flynn were shipped to the New York Knicks on Saturday in exchange for RJ Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, and a second-round pick, thus commencing the reconstruction of a faulty roster well...
www.thescore.com www.thescore.com

Is there anything here that might interest you?

I like the GSW deal, because I like Kuminga, but it would be interesting to see Wiggins and RJ on the same Raps team, lol. MU would finally get him... But I know that they are underachieving assets
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I'll go one by one

Dallas: Ewwww. Fuck off.

Sacto: This one I would have a hard time not pulling the trigger on. It would basically annoint Quickley the #1 option, but add a very strong player to the wing rotation, and give us the microwave bench shooter we need. It also clears up any future cap issues I've written about above and would give the front office a ton of flexibility to add. A Scottie-Quickley-Murray-RJ core would be a motherfucker to deal with as soon as next year.

Atlanta: I've seen the Jalen Johnson additions to the Siakam rumours lately and they're interesting. If you're looking for a super interesting OG replacement (with elite athleticism), Johnson would do. Capela makes Jake expendable and your choice of the two would be moveable in the summer for a nice asset or two (a 1st at the draft, or a few functioning bench bodies no problem). I'm not high on Bufkin, but sure why not? Surely one of him or Gradey turns into a player eventually, right?

Indiana: Not super horny about it because it's just a project/kids package unless you want to re sign Hield which...meh...I guess, maybe depending on the cost. He's not looking to love the rotation/bench life and it's where his future is with any decent team. Mathurin was a much sexier looking prospect a year ago. The shooting improvement has been nice, but he's not really putting his game together at all. Upside is obvious, but again I don't want a Pascal move to be about adding players who are years away. Scottie-Quickley are good now. I've never been really high on Jarace, and the same logic applies...I want players who can be part of playoff contention now, not in 2-3 years.


GSW: I'm pro Kuminga upside but I don't see the point in trading 29 yr old Pascal for 21 yr old Pascal for reasons I've gone over. Moody I also like, but same same. As for Wiggins, imo Wiggins & RJ are the same guy. They arrive their differently, but are the same guy. I don't want both of them. Also, Wiggins has been unfucking playable this year and is a distressed asset until further notice.

If Pascal flat out told us he was gone and we had to pick one, I would do it in this order: Sacto-Atlanta-GSW and then hard nos to the other two.
 
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