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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

manny said:
Javier pulled with a no-hitter after 6 innings (97 pitches.)
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This is why baseball can't have nice things anymore. You pull a guy who's pitching a no-no in a game you're leading by 5 runs because, "pitch count"? This fucking league doesn't deserve to have fans. You take a sport played by men and instead of letting them do what the paying customers came to watch you let a bunch of nerds make all the decisions. Then you wonder why fan interest in your product is waning.

If any manager had come to the mound and told Bob Gibson he was being pulled while in the midst of a no-hitter Gibson would have beaten him to death where he stood and no jury in America would have convicted him. If anything they'd have sued the dead manager's family for potential damage to Gibson's pitching hand inflicted by the manager's thick skull.

I need to yell at some clouds very, very loudly right now.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
This is why baseball can't have nice things anymore. You pull a guy who's pitching a no-no in a game you're leading by 5 runs because, "pitch count"? This fucking league doesn't deserve to have fans. You take a sport played by men and instead of letting them do what the paying customers came to watch you let a bunch of nerds make all the decisions. Then you wonder why fan interest in your product is waning.

If any manager had come to the mound and told Bob Gibson he was being pulled while in the midst of a no-hitter Gibson would have beaten him to death where he stood and no jury in America would have convicted him. If anything they'd have sued the dead manager's family for potential damage to Gibson's pitching hand inflicted by the manager's thick skull.

I need to yell at some clouds very, very loudly right now.
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What's more important - putting out your best chance to win the game and the series, or keeping a guy out there for a mostly meaningless chance at a record?
 
Yeah, this is just reflective of individual egos being less important now than they were in the past. It’s about winning the game. If a guy has a chance for a great individual accomplishment too, great, but the team comes first.

Anyway, Javier threw 97 pitches through 6. No way he was making it 9 innings so it was going to be a combined effort anyway. Also now he can probably give them some innings in game 7 if necessary.
 
Yeah I'm all for keeping guys in for a no-hitter when it's possible, but first of all, this is the World Series. In terms of importance it's World Series 100%, individual accomplishment 0%.

Secondly, he threw 97 pitches in 6 innings. It would likely have required 130+ pitches to complete the game and with so many arm injuries to pitchers, teams just aren't going to risk injury to a pitcher's arm just for a record. But this is the friggin playoffs, the manager would have been crucified if he let him throw that many pitches.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
This is why baseball can't have nice things anymore. You pull a guy who's pitching a no-no in a game you're leading by 5 runs because, "pitch count"? This fucking league doesn't deserve to have fans. You take a sport played by men and instead of letting them do what the paying customers came to watch you let a bunch of nerds make all the decisions. Then you wonder why fan interest in your product is waning.

If any manager had come to the mound and told Bob Gibson he was being pulled while in the midst of a no-hitter Gibson would have beaten him to death where he stood and no jury in America would have convicted him. If anything they'd have sued the dead manager's family for potential damage to Gibson's pitching hand inflicted by the manager's thick skull.

I need to yell at some clouds very, very loudly right now.
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only you can criticize the Manager whose team just pitched a no hitter...
 
Yeah, this is crazy talk. If he was through 8 innings at that pitch count, I'd agree.

He's 3 innings away and almost maxed out. Why risk the game or his arm?

This is the reverse of that idiot move of removing Gausman with two outs in that last game.
 
Wayward DP said:
TRADITION. FUCK THE DH.
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Respect the game. Respect the fans. Respect the spirit of the rules as much as the letter of them. Baseball today is way too technical, too nerdy, and when it comes to the application of the rules, what with all the video replay to see if the guy's toe might have come 1mm off the bag a split second before the runner touched it...bah! You're picking the fly shit out of the pepper at this point and you reduce the experience of watching a game to the same excitement level you have reading one of Preston's bar graphs. Where is the actual "game" anymore? Where's the "baseball"?

I get more entertainment from listening to or watching 40 year old games on YouTube than I do from current live baseball. The other day while at work I found an old Royals-White Sox game on YouTube (a radio call) from 1980 at old Comiskey Park with Harry Caray. It wasn't a famous or significant game historically, just a random game from July of that season, the first game of a double-header in fact (remember those?) Steve Stone, who would later become Harry's broadcast partner on the Cubs broadcasts, was the starting pitcher for Chicago that day. The game went to extra innings tied at 2 apiece and when the Royals came up to bat in the top of the 10th the Chisox pitcher they faced was...yeah, Steve Stone. Why? Because fuck relief pitching, that's why. In 1980 pitchers didn't get paid to start games, they got paid to finish them because "baseball".

And despite the fact that the game went 10 innings it didn't take 3 or 4 hours to play because there weren't a dozen pitching changes to wait on. Can you imagine the drudgery of watching a double-header in today's MLB? It would be like one of those 3 day cricket matches and just as tedious.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Respect the game. Respect the fans. Respect the spirit of the rules as much as the letter of them. Baseball today is way too technical, too nerdy, and when it comes to the application of the rules, what with all the video replay to see if the guy's toe might have come 1mm off the bag a split second before the runner touched it...bah! You're picking the fly shit out of the pepper at this point and you reduce the experience of watching a game to the same excitement level you have reading one of Preston's bar graphs. Where is the actual "game" anymore? Where's the "baseball"?

I get more entertainment from listening to or watching 40 year old games on YouTube than I do from current live baseball. The other day while at work I found an old Royals-White Sox game on YouTube (a radio call) from 1980 at old Comiskey Park with Harry Caray. It wasn't a famous or significant game historically, just a random game from July of that season, the first game of a double-header in fact (remember those?) Steve Stone, who would later become Harry's broadcast partner on the Cubs broadcasts, was the starting pitcher for Chicago that day. The game went to extra innings tied at 2 apiece and when the Royals came up to bat in the top of the 10th the Chisox pitcher they faced was...yeah, Steve Stone. Why? Because fuck relief pitching, that's why. In 1980 pitchers didn't get paid to start games, they got paid to finish them because "baseball".

And despite the fact that the game went 10 innings it didn't take 3 or 4 hours to play because there weren't a dozen pitching changes to wait on. Can you imagine the drudgery of watching a double-header in today's MLB? It would be like one of those 3 day cricket matches and just as tedious.
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Cool.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Respect the game. Respect the fans. Respect the spirit of the rules as much as the letter of them. Baseball today is way too technical, too nerdy, and when it comes to the application of the rules, what with all the video replay to see if the guy's toe might have come 1mm off the bag a split second before the runner touched it...bah! You're picking the fly shit out of the pepper at this point and you reduce the experience of watching a game to the same excitement level you have reading one of Preston's bar graphs. Where is the actual "game" anymore? Where's the "baseball"?

I get more entertainment from listening to or watching 40 year old games on YouTube than I do from current live baseball. The other day while at work I found an old Royals-White Sox game on YouTube (a radio call) from 1980 at old Comiskey Park with Harry Caray. It wasn't a famous or significant game historically, just a random game from July of that season, the first game of a double-header in fact (remember those?) Steve Stone, who would later become Harry's broadcast partner on the Cubs broadcasts, was the starting pitcher for Chicago that day. The game went to extra innings tied at 2 apiece and when the Royals came up to bat in the top of the 10th the Chisox pitcher they faced was...yeah, Steve Stone. Why? Because fuck relief pitching, that's why. In 1980 pitchers didn't get paid to start games, they got paid to finish them because "baseball".

And despite the fact that the game went 10 innings it didn't take 3 or 4 hours to play because there weren't a dozen pitching changes to wait on. Can you imagine the drudgery of watching a double-header in today's MLB? It would be like one of those 3 day cricket matches and just as tedious.
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Sounds like you should boycott the MLB. Will leave more time for your primary passion, the Toronto Maple Leafs
 
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