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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

While I would love to see the post-season this year, I've got this funny feeling that next year, with a healthy (we hope) BP and another winter of dealing, the Jays will be in it next year.
Just listening to the way scouts talk about D'Arnaud and Gose gets me giddy. One guy said that with Gose, the best comparison he could make for Jays fans was Devon White.
Nothing wrong with that.
...but that's nothing compared to the praise our catcher of the future receives. I almost have to pinch myself; part of the Leaf-fan syndrome I guess.
 
sensbk said:
It's the guys whose names haven't been out there that AA is looking for.

Joe Thornton type deals where he gets it done quick and doesn't have to bid against a bunch of other teams.

That said, there just may be too many teams within an ear shot of the playoffs, and not much activity at all by the deadline should be expected.
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Thats all well and good, if he can pluck some awesome SP name out of thin air, but i can only use the available names at my disposal to make my own opinion.

As you said, tons of teams are in it so i doubt we see anythign really off the wall. That usually happens in winter
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
While I would love to see the post-season this year, I've got this funny feeling that next year, with a healthy (we hope) BP and another winter of dealing, the Jays will be in it next year.
Just listening to the way scouts talk about D'Arnaud and Gose gets me giddy. One guy said that with Gose, the best comparison he could make for Jays fans was Devon White.
Nothing wrong with that.
...but that's nothing compared to the praise our catcher of the future receives. I almost have to pinch myself; part of the Leaf-fan syndrome I guess.
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It had to have been over a year ago that myself, Mindz and others made the comparison between Gose and Devon White.

I think it's a very good one, White probably had more power, but I think Gose has the better arm and probably better speed as well.
 
sensbk said:
Those are one for one deals though, as was Molina/santos. When you start talking 3 or more of these types of guys for one guy it gets a little out of hand in my opinion.
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I'm sure AA can handle trade negotiations that involve more than 2 players.


Upton is an elite talent, and yes it would be great to acquire him, but the assets it would cost would likely be out of control.
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What is "out of control" to you?....what wouldn't you pay for him?


A lot has been said here about how prospects get too over rated, and that has been true for a long time,
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I think it's a more recent development actually (last 3-4 seasons)....prior to that prospects were often greatly undervalued.



#1, as psycho said, is that aa has been an incredible talent evaluator and that his guys aren't just getting hype in the jays' market, but they are regarded across all of mlb as having one of the best systems. This doesn't mean that he can afford to just unload multiple guys for the sake of it though. The best reward in building a deep system is when the day comes that they are at all levels, including mlb ready but in the minors, so when you have a rash of injuries you can just go to the minors and fill a need.
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1) Because we draft players, doesn't mean our talent evaluators value those players at the same level throughout their development as others outside of our organization......in fact I can guarantee there are players within our system that AA feels are valued higher by the market than they do internally.

2) Trading for Justin Upton couldn't be further from unloading "multiple guys for the sake of it"

3) The best reward of a deep farm system, is having elite players on your major league team.....regardless of how that farm system was used to get them there.


#2, and the biggest reason for me, is that Alex respects his scouts as much as anything else in the world. His guys didn't travel across the US and latin america watching games and dissecting talent just to have their guys jettisoned before they get a chance in the bigs. Upton would be awesome here, but it simply has zero chance of happening.
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AA respects his scouts, but the last thing he's going to do when building the team he wants is worry about their f*cking feelings.....this is a goddamn business for grown ass men. He'll do what he feels is in the best interest of the club and what will give them the best chance to be a consistent contender.

imo, (and in the opinion of AA, given what he's said in the past) that means going after talent like Upton when/if it hits the market.
 
I dunno man, Alex started his career pushing a mail cart for the Expos, then did scouting in bot the US and latin america getting paid in meals and living expenses only. I don't think it's about feelings, I think it's about respecting the work that they do and making sure you get value, and I think that's where I didn't explain myself.


What I meant by not giving up "multiple guys for the sake of it" is that AA isn't the kind of guy that sees a player available and gives up whatever it takes to get him. He works with one of the biggest groups of scouts and assistants in the league, their homework on everyone is done before they start talking trade.

Without question, you gotta believe he's worked on the d'backs to acquire Upton. As for what is "out of control", when people start saying one of gose/d'Arnaud+lansing starter+Marisnick/Hech I think that's crazy. Others have mentioned that as a starting point, which is crazy.

I love the Upton idea, but if the price is even half that, it isn't going to happen.
 
Montana said:
I'm sure AA can handle trade negotiations that involve more than 2 players.
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Sure he can, as in the 3 team deal in which he sold a few rolls of toilet paper for Rasmus. I think we've seen the blueprint for Alex's trades, and the ones that have been suggested for Upton would make him chuckle.
 
It would give us a pretty lethal OF.

But it's an escobar injury and a KJ free agency departure from us having an mlb middle infield of ryan goins and mike mccoy.

It wouldn't put us over the top, or fill an organizational need, imo.

Maybe I'm just too gun shy, I don't know, I just don't think it's the right time, or the right player to be giving up 3 of our top 10-15 prospects on.
 
Not that I don't respect AA as our GM. He has done a fine job thus far overall. However, the rest of the league is catching on to this ways so its not going to be as easy as it was for him. He is going to have to adjust and adapt on the fly.
 
MapleLeafBlueJayBoy said:
Not that I don't respect AA as our GM. He has done a fine job thus far overall. However, the rest of the league is catching on to this ways so its not going to be as easy as it was for him. He is going to have to adjust and adapt on the fly.
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How is the rest of the league catching onto his ways ?
 
I believe that MLBJB is stating that there is this undercurrent of wariness whilst dealing with AA now that comes with his well-established track record of winning deals.

When dealing with a GM as astute as the Ninja it is only natural to harbor second thoughts given his past track record.
 
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