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I mean Tom is an expert on Russia and war history, I'll take his word for it. What you describe as a "brutal stalemate" is probably the best they can hope for. If Putin had any common sense left this war would already be over.

Don’t think we disagree here. What I described is what I envision as the best-case scenario for Russia.

As for this last part, Putin's efforts have actually strengthened NATO and EU and shown most of the world (except for those people who are either incredibly dim, or for sale) that he's a fraud. And it doesn't sound like he's healthy enough to play the long game again anyway, in a vastly different set of circumstances where everybody now knows that the mythical Russian military doesn't really exist.


Agreed with the first part of this. As for Vlad’s health, though—I’d like to believe the cancer stuff, but there’s no hard evidence of his imminent demise or even that he’s ill.
 
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You're not wrong, but that's a far cry from "no more nato on western border", "de nazification of Ukraine", "3 days to Kyiv" etc etc.

Without a doubt. It’s been a complete clusterfuck instead of the lightning conquest of all of Ukraine that he envisioned.

But even if he only hangs on to the new territory he currently occupies until the point where Ukraine’s exhausted any ability to take it back and public fatigue with the war has dried up further Western military support for Ukraine, that’d be a pretty grim outcome for Ukraine.

So here’s hoping there’s a spring or summer offensive coming from Ukraine that bears some fruit.
 
Also, I've been an eternal Ukie optimist (though I'd argue that the reasonably optimist outlook has turned out to be...by fucking far...the most accurate one so far) so take this fwiw...but:

The Russians have been fucking throwing everything into assaults for the last 3 months now. Everything. They've barely moved the chains over that period. Over the same period, the Ukies have had about 100K troops out training with Nato countries while they stack delivered hardware. They've spent a fair bit of men and equipment defending Bakhmut, but that really does seem to be a tactical decision. Most estimates I'm seeing, from a fairly diverse set of sources, has Russian losses at 5-1 in Bakhmut. Ukie decision makers haved earned the benefit of any doubt on tactics at this point. If they believe bleeding Russia is worth it at Bakhmut, I'm willing to believe them. I keep seeing handwringing online about the Ukies not being able to afford their losses there, but I think that's based on a bad assumption. Maybe the last bad assumption going regarding Russian military capability. There's still this sense among observers that the Russians are a bottomless pit of atrition and that they can just throw meat at the problem until Ukraine runs out of bombs and bullets. I just don't see that as true. Russia has successfully employed this once in their history and only once and I think WW2 is influencing our thinking too much here on what Russia is capable of from an attrition standpoint. Of interesting note here, is that one of the key reasons the Russians were able to do this in WW2 was lend-lease. Without that 11.3 billion in equipment (180 billion adjusted for inflation), does Russia win in the east?

They're already stretched well beyond breaking in their ability to keep up with equipment and ammunition demands. Russian tank building capacity is roughly 20 new units per month, with the ability to refurbish maybe 40 older units per month and they started this shit show with about 2000-2500. They're losing 150+ units a month and the refurbished units doing the bulk of the replacing, lack modern equipment that are necessary to maintain anything resembling parity with Nato spec units the Ukies are receiving.

Russia has already drastically reduced their shell usage over the last 8 months, from about 60K shells per day to about 10K currently according to recent estimates. These are also mostly soviet era stocks that they're into now, so older tech with way, way less precision. Again the estimate I keep seeing referred to is 8-12 Russian shells needed to hit a target that Nato supplied kit requires 1-2 shells to hit. So the Ukies firing 3K modern shells out of modern arty systems actually holds a measure of artillery superiority (which can be seen in the Russian inability to use their rolling fire doctrine to any advantage at all since the Ukies started receiving the 777's and other nato arty pieces ~8 months ago). This doesn't support the idea of the Russians being able to win an attrition war either.

None of that is to say that the Ukies & Nato don't have their supply issues. Even 3K shells a day and Ukie man & equipment losses are hard to maintain without gutting supplies for nato militaries (which they won't do). But nato nations have the capability to ramp production and dig way deeper than the Russians as long as their is the financial will for nato to cover the tab. 5-1 losses is unsustainable for the Russian military, 1-5 is sustainable for the Ukies as long as the west is willing to pay the bill.
 
How is the climate back in Russia? Any type of anti war protests? At this rate just about anyone likely knows someone who was sent to war.
 
Even if the west slows down from war fatigue their move away from Russia oil is going to continue and be permanent IMO. That's a lot of cheddar and a big old carrot stick Putin is losing. China is powerful, but they're a tough client.
 
The Russians last week started taking T-55 tanks that they decommissioned in 1973 out of mothballs to deploy in the Ukraine.

They are a paper tiger and it's all going to collapse on Putin's head. All the Ukies need to do is keep bleeding them.
 
How is the climate back in Russia? Any type of anti war protests? At this rate just about anyone likely knows someone who was sent to war.


Like 1930’s Germany.

In short: don’t hold your breath waiting for the Russian people to rise up and put a stop to the war. By and large, they’re on board with Putin’s project to make Russia Imperial and great again. And to punish those Nazis in Ukraine that have the nerve to want to be European instead of Russian.
 
The Russians last week started taking T-55 tanks that they decommissioned in 1973 out of mothballs to deploy in the Ukraine.

They are a paper tiger and it's all going to collapse on Putin's head. All the Ukies need to do is keep bleeding them.
you have been stating that for about a year and still, here we are.

We have known since the 1980s that the Soviets are weak militarily, I read this book in the 1980s at University amazon.ca/Threat-Inside-Soviet-Military-Machine/dp/0450058018. That said, the Russians have a serious manpower advantage, can't lose so to speak in that they will send as many in as they can to keep their land bridge to the Crimea. We have been hearing since when October, that the Ukrainians were "winning" yet nothing seem to change the stalemate.

Xi will probably offer Vladimir money to allow the other Vladimir to keep his new annexed territories.
 
and still, here we are.

In the last 6 months Russia has lost roughly half of their Ukie possession (not including Crimea)

In the last year...well...this was Ukraine on March 5th of 2022

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Keep in mind that Russia controlled Crimea and about half of their current Donbas holdings prior to Feb 2022. Northern Luhansk and the landbridge through Zap & Kherson is what they've held to this point.

They wouldn't be frantically building defences in Crimea right now if they were as confident as you appear to be that holding their current lines is light work.
 
you have been stating that for about a year and still, here we are.

We have known since the 1980s that the Soviets are weak militarily, I read this book in the 1980s at University amazon.ca/Threat-Inside-Soviet-Military-Machine/dp/0450058018. That said, the Russians have a serious manpower advantage, can't lose so to speak in that they will send as many in as they can to keep their land bridge to the Crimea. We have been hearing since when October, that the Ukrainians were "winning" yet nothing seem to change the stalemate.

Xi will probably offer Vladimir money to allow the other Vladimir to keep his new annexed territories.
What's been happening since October is a little thing called "winter". I know that as a long-time resident of the Lower Mainland, you are no longer able to conceptualize what an actual winter entails, but it tends to make military campaigns somewhat problematic (see: Napoleon's retreat from Moscow or the Wehrmacht's adventure in Russia circa 1942-44)

Spring is coming.
 
What's been happening since October is a little thing called "winter". I know that as a long-time resident of the Lower Mainland, you are no longer able to conceptualize what an actual winter entails, but it tends to make military campaigns somewhat problematic (see: Napoleon's retreat from Moscow or the Wehrmacht's adventure in Russia circa 1942-44)

Spring is coming.
Would that not apply to both, who is to say that both won't move the front come the thaw?

You have way too much faith in the grifter who posed in Vogue. This war will only end when Russia decides it no longer wants to pay the price and west stops bleeding cash into a never ending war. .

Now Zelensky wants to meet Xi, I wonder why? Does he want Xi to broker a peace or will he beg Xi for money and weapons to fight Xi's friend?

Everyone has a price. Zelensky and Vlad can talk tough all they want but in the end, how much money will have to flow to Zelensky and his lackeys to allow him to save face and recognize the annexations. How much money will Vlad require to forego any further territorial expansion outside the annexed area. Once the dollar figures are on the table, either directly or through "aid", this matter will resolve.

Maybe the best way to settle it is through match up. Vlad v Zelensky in a cage match.
 
Would that not apply to both, who is to say that both won't move the front come the thaw?

You have way too much faith in the grifter who posed in Vogue. This war will only end when Russia decides it no longer wants to pay the price and west stops bleeding cash into a never ending war. .

Now Zelensky wants to meet Xi, I wonder why? Does he want Xi to broker a peace or will he beg Xi for money and weapons to fight Xi's friend?

Everyone has a price. Zelensky and Vlad can talk tough all they want but in the end, how much money will have to flow to Zelensky and his lackeys to allow him to save face and recognize the annexations. How much money will Vlad require to forego any further territorial expansion outside the annexed area. Once the dollar figures are on the table, either directly or through "aid", this matter will resolve.

Maybe the best way to settle it is through match up. Vlad v Zelensky in a cage match.


I guess it’s easy to pretend that nobody has any principles and that everyone in the world is totally self-serving and self-absorbed when that’s the way you are.
 
…and if all Zekensky cared about was enriching himself, he could have gone the way of Afghanistan’s former President (and many other deposed leaders) and squirrelled away as much money as possible in foreign accounts while in office before fleeing the country in a jumbo jet stuffed with cash and treasure once the troops and tanks were headed towards his capital.

Also love the adorable notion that there’s a limit at which Vlad will be satisfied with his territorial expansion. No matter how much he’s appeased, as long as he’s alive and in power he’ll keep reloading and coming to carve out more territory from what he views as Imperial Russia/the Soviet Union’s wayward provinces.
 
…and if all Zekensky cared about was enriching himself, he could have gone the way of Afghanistan’s former President (and many other deposed leaders) and squirrelled away as much money as possible in foreign accounts while in office before fleeing the country in a jumbo jet stuffed with cash and treasure once the troops and tanks were headed towards his capital.
Yanukovych…
 
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