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OT: World Politics

lecoqsportif said:
www.theguardian.com

Ukrainian historian Serhii Plokhy: âThis may not be the last chapter of the Russian empire, but itâs an important oneâ

The Harvard academic on writing while grieving – and where his country goes from here
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Could definitely see some breakaway regions happen in the aftermath of this. Kadryov would love to get out from under Moscow's influence, if they go Dagestan wouldn't be far behind. A whole bunch of regions in Siberia don't quite get the point of sticking around either.
 
MindzEye said:
Could definitely see some breakaway regions happen in the aftermath of this. Kadryov would love to get out from under Moscow's influence, if they go Dagestan wouldn't be far behind. A whole bunch of regions in Siberia don't quite get the point of sticking around either.
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I think this is what needs to happen. A break-up of Russia that leaves Moscow in control of essentially just the old Grand Duchy of Moscow. A big source of the current problems is that Russian empire never truly disintegrated, like the British & European empires before them.

For the most part their subject peoples to the West have broken away. But they’ve retained Belarus, their conquered lands in Central & Eastern Asia and the Caucasus, and with them their sense of entitlement that Imperial Russia to its greatest extent still rightfully belongs to Moscow. And that they can turn back the clock on the break-up that’s already occurred.
 
LeafGm said:
I think this is what needs to happen. A break-up of Russia that leaves Moscow in control of essentially just the old Grand Duchy of Moscow. A big source of the current problems is that Russian empire never truly disintegrated, like the British & European empires before them.

For the most part their subject peoples to the West have broken away. But they’ve retained Belarus, their conquered lands in Central & Eastern Asia and the Caucasus, and with them their sense of entitlement that Imperial Russia to its greatest extent still rightfully belongs to Moscow. And that they can turn back the clock on the break-up that’s already occurred.
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plus, then Canada could be the world's biggest country by landmass!
 
Putin is going beyond what the Soviets tried to achieve (post-Stalin, anyway). He actually wants to challenge Article 5 and break up NATO. This war is the kinetic step, but we obviously know that active measures started a long time ago.
 
lecoqsportif said:
Putin is going beyond what the Soviets tried to achieve (post-Stalin, anyway). He actually wants to challenge Article 5 and break up NATO. This war is the kinetic step, but we obviously know that active measures started a long time ago.
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There's a certain vein of thinker in the Muscovy tradition that see this as an existential threat to their vision of Russia. Putin is really likely to number among them. I don't agree with Zeihan on a whole bunch of things, but I agree with him on this. The Russians very, very badly want 1) Their buffer territories back & 2) Free reign to be the dominant power in Europe. They see themselves and not Germany or France as the natural leaders of Europe. Their asiatic holdings are just the source of raw materials to support their European aspirations.

It's an ideology that needs to die tbh.
 
lecoqsportif said:
Putin is going beyond what the Soviets tried to achieve (post-Stalin, anyway). He actually wants to challenge Article 5 and break up NATO. This war is the kinetic step, but we obviously know that active measures started a long time ago.
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The break-up of NATO and/or elimination of article 5 is definitely one of Putin’s main goals. It was one of their central objectives in helping Trump get elected. And if he’d won a second term or his coup had been successful, there’s no doubt that plan would’ve worked.

Would be interesting to know just how far back in Putin Presidency he’s been actively working towards that goal. Because his attempts to halt any further disintegration of the Russian empire and expand it started almost immediately after he took power, with the brutal subjugation of Chechnya.
 
I dunno. But I think the protests in Moscow against his “re-election”, soon followed by Maidan, were the points of no return.
 
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