OT: World Politics

[Wayward DP]

More long range ordinance will wreak a lot of havoc!

that and F-16s seem to be the key missing pieces presently. and infinite ammunition, of course.

 

[Stinky]

The f 16 is such a good piece of gear. They will likely be a deciding factor should they arrive on time.
The Russians are in for a shit kicking.

 

[Wayward DP]

The f 16 is such a good piece of gear. They will likely be a deciding factor should they arrive on time.
The Russians are in for a shit kicking.

eh most optimistic forecast I've seen is like spring 2024? they could have really used them for the current counteroffensive. would have been a game changer. but yeah, good that the Ukrainians will be getting these, just wish it was sooner.

 

[MindzEye]

There's no way that NATO should be doing anything overtly with the Ukies until the war is over. Letting them in now triggers Armageddon.

Bad take.

There's a ton of things Nato can do now that signals support for Ukraine without granting them membership. Only membership would trigger Article 5.

Nato should be taking Ukraine by the hand and walking them down the guided path towards membership, with the understanding that Ukraine joins after the war is over.

 

[MindzEye]

 

[lecoqsportif]

NATO will never admit a member that is at war. But political and tactical signals can be sent for sure (such as cluster bombs, which are vicious.)

I would start with a EU membership and an enhanced security arrangement with the US, Poland, and the EU 3. Then NATO.

 

[MindzEye]

 

[Wayward DP]

 

[worm]

Are the Russians producing any new equipment? Or are they relying on the old broken shit still?

 

[MindzEye]

Are the Russians producing any new equipment? Or are they relying on the old broken shit still?

Yes

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

Bad take.

There's a ton of things Nato can do now that signals support for Ukraine without granting them membership. Only membership would trigger Article 5.

Nato should be taking Ukraine by the hand and walking them down the guided path towards membership, with the understanding that Ukraine joins after the war is over.

That's basically all I was saying. Of course NATO should be doing everything within its power to assist the Ukrainians. It's in everyone's best interests to see as many fascists killed as possible and, if possible, to help the war reach a tipping point where Putin is deposed. But they should not offer a formal membership until the war is over.

 

[MindzEye]

That's basically all I was saying.

Have you considered trying to be more articulate?

Because, that's not what you said.

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

Have you considered trying to be more articulate?

Because, that's not what you said.

I'm sorry you misinterpreted.

 

[MindzEye]

Sweet, words just mean whatever we want them to mean now.

 

[MindzEye]

 

[zeke]

 

[Wayward DP]

man the impact of (presumably) covid on life expectancies is kinda shocking...

 

[Stinky]

Angry tankies are hilarious.

 

[MindzEye]

 

[hockeylover]

what's this about.