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Montana
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I think it’s prob more than a handful, to be fair….
Interesting story here tho, as jail changed him.
Why are so many Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails?
One in five Palestinians spends time in Israel jails. Hamas says it wants to exchange captured Israelis for them.
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Doesn’t validate any of it on Hamas’ part…other than I can see them telling themselves & Palestinians, that it does.
LeafOfFaith
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They're being detained because they're either assaulting people, trying to, or are reasonably being suspected of planning to. Does anyone care if someone is 16 or 20 when they throw a rock at someone's head and injure or even kill them? It's not exactly concerning if there are complaints that the cuffs are too tight, or that thousands are imprisoned if those thousands committed crimes. It's a crazy attempt to equivocate their actions to the purported "cause" or rationale.
So, a 16 year old palestenian kid throws a rock at someone's head unprovoked, gets detained and/or imprisoned, may not be treated the same in prison as he would at a Four Seasons, and so we now have cause to douse a jewish girl in flames until she burns to death. Death to Israel.
So, a 16 year old palestenian kid throws a rock at someone's head unprovoked, gets detained and/or imprisoned, may not be treated the same in prison as he would at a Four Seasons, and so we now have cause to douse a jewish girl in flames until she burns to death. Death to Israel.
LeafOfFaith
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Just saw. Very concerning. Looks and feels like an abstention, not overlooked.
LeafOfFaith
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The other thing is, for all the talk about Hamas is not the same as Palestinians...the ordinary joe Palestinians both in the Middle East and those organizing protests and rallies here in the west seem awfully comfortable and eager to publicly support all the terrorist acts of the last few days. There isn't exactly a flood of Palestinian public sentiment that condemns the acts. All I keep seeing are explanations and excuses to justify what Hamas has been doing.
GGpX
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I think that might be directly why.
mbow30
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Detained by IPS (police), not the militaryI think it’s prob more than a handful, to be fair….
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Why are so many Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails?
One in five Palestinians spends time in Israel jails. Hamas says it wants to exchange captured Israelis for them.www.aljazeera.com
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Doesn’t validate any of it on Hamas’ part…other than I can see them telling themselves & Palestinians, that it does.
and the 176 is detained - not sentenced. The number sentenced and on actual prison terms is much smaller.
Montana
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I don’t think Hamas likely delineates between the two….to them it’s all “prisoners” they want back.
again, not justifying any of it….just trying to describe what I think they (and prob some Palestinians?) are likely telling themselves.
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Montana
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I think it’s fair to separate the two….
Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) unveiled that 58% in Gaza and 42% in the West Bank favor Hamas. Intriguingly, younger Palestinians and Gaza residents displayed stronger support, especially those viewing Hamas as Palestine’s ideal representative and resistor against Israel.
…..but should also be pointed out just how much support they do have too.
Like if someone wants to bomb the shit out of North America because of Trump, I don’t want to be lumped in with the 50% who support him…
anyone of note tho?
aside from no names on Twitter, and that lunatic letter from Harvard students, I feel like I’ve seen a pretty united & effusive repulsion for Hamas’ actions.
Montana
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thought this smelled like bullshit…so looked into it a bit, and to his credit, it was the same guy who debunked it, correcting his earlier misinformation.
LeafGm
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I suspect this is Canada not being invited to sit at the big boys table, rather than choosing not to take part.
Similar to the conspicuous lack of support from this same group of countries when the Indian government had a Canadian assassinated on Canadian soil.
LeafOfFaith
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That's a relief. Thanks for posting this. Naturally, one of these stories being fake doesn't lessen the multitude of other horrific accounts that are real. Such as these other two I saw today.
First, a grandmother being murdered via livestream on her own FB account, which is how her family found out she was killed. Second, a young girl being raped while the rapist had her mother on the phone to hear the screaming. This is honestly stuff out of horror movies. In fact, I don't know of any horror movie that can match the level of depravity we've seen here.
LeafOfFaith
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Yeah, I certainly don't claim that 100% of Palestinians are on board with this. I'm sure there were many Germans who didn't support Hitler at the time. But in both cases there's an alarming percentage of the contingency that do openly and outwardly support it, and one has to assume there are more than there should be who silently acquiesce or are neutral about something objectively wicked. I literally can't imagine people piling into the streets, in Times Square, to cheer and celebrate Hamas actions. It's unfathomable.
I'm not on Twitter and don't follow or know the names of who are or aren't prominent, but I've seen several Palestinian guests or sympathizers since Saturday on CNN and (less so) Fox, where they're making the Palestinian case. That this is a justified or at least expected response to whatever wrongs they feel Israel has committed against them. I support free speech and I understand a news organization's obligation to present the other side, but it has felt like a bit much, where they invite essentially propogandists on (inter)national news outlets regularly to make the case for why the atrocities can be explained away. It's tantamount to hate speech imo, which is presented as valid argument.
LeafOfFaith
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I'm kind of amazed at how some of the Israelis being interviewed, whose kids or siblings are missing, or whose parents or grandparents were killed, are able to speak relatively calmly about the situation. The level of grief, I'd imagine would be so overwhelming that it wouldn't be possible to utter a sentence without falling apart. I assume some level of desensitization from living there, growing up with this sort of thing (nothing on this level) happening somewhat on the regular. Just terrible.
Montana
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yeah, even the video of Noa being taken away on the bike, which doesn’t show any death, or violence…..makes my stomach churn.
and then seeing video of Shani Louk dancing & having a blast at the festival….contrast with images of her later dead in the truck bed….as you say, reaches a level of depravity that horror movies can’t match.
Even if the death counts don’t go any higher than the 780 I last heard (and we know it will, unfortunately)…..I already think this is worse act of terrorism than 9/11, because of the visceral nature of the hands-on depravity, and brought right to peoples doorsteps.
LeafOfFaith
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LeafOfFaith
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Agreed fully. Also, as a percentage of population, I think I saw somewhere that this siege on Israel would be the equivalent of 20,000 Americans killed in one day, dwarfing 9/11 by comparison. By sheer numbers, it's the most Jews killed in a day since the Holocaust. And yeah, the manner in which it's been done...like, not as if I can one is "better" than another, but planes flying into a few buildings is like one nasty strike intended to cause brute force trauma on a grand scale, but the way they surgically have ripped family members apart from each other and maximized pain in any way they could, whether by livestreaming murder, raping live on a call with a relative, killing your sibling in the other room, murdering your friend and raping you beside her, killing babies on video...this is on another level of evil.
Montana
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Was sickening to hear it was happening in Montreal and Ottawa too, apparently.
Yeah, that’s fair…..Al Queda had a story they told themselves as to why 9/11 was “justified”……didn’t make it any less bullshit, either.