OT: World Politics

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

So I hope anyone who was inclined to doubt the beheaded children story, but then inclined to believe the Israel-bombed-a-hospital story, is having a day of serious self-reflection.

Whether it was Israel or not isn't relevant. Let's say for the sake of argument that it was from Israel. Can it be proven that they meant to hit a hospital? What would their motive be for leaving themselves open to worldwide scorn? Israel launching artillery or missile strikes into populated areas will naturally yield unintended collateral damage. But no one killed by Hamas in that attack was collateral anything. Every person they killed, men, women, children, babies, beheaded or not, was a person they meant to kill. There's no equivalency here.

 

[Wayward DP]

Whether it was Israel or not isn't relevant. Let's say for the sake of argument that it was from Israel. Can it be proven that they meant to hit a hospital? What would their motive be for leaving themselves open to worldwide scorn? Israel launching artillery or missile strikes into populated areas will naturally yield unintended collateral damage. But no one killed by Hamas in that attack was collateral anything. Every person they killed, men, women, children, babies, beheaded or not, was a person they meant to kill. There's no equivalency here.

whoooooosh

 

[zeke]

 

[zeke]

 

[Wayward DP]

so, I don't know if there's anything to this. but earlier I saw 500+ dead in the hospital. would be interesting if the death toll decreases with the knowledge that PIJ were the perpetrators. but unclear where the figure in that tweet comes from.

on this topic:

The Hamas-run Health Ministry in Gaza initially said at least 500 people were killed, AP reported, a figure that was later amended to between 200 and 300, as reported by AFP.

Charged Hagari: “According to our intelligence, Hamas checked the reports, understood it was an Islamic Jihad rocket that had misfired, and decided to launch a global media campaign to hide what really happened.”

“They went as far as to inflate the number of casualties,” he said.

Hagari said Hamas “understood with absolute certainty that it was a rocket misfired by Islamic Jihad that damaged the hospital.

“Analysis of our aerial footage confirms that there was no direct hit of the hospital itself. The only location damaged is outside the hospital in the parking lot, where we can see signs of burning, no cratering and no structural damage to nearby buildings,” he said.

 

[mbow30]

Israel will carpet bomb, use white phosphor or bomb up a school that hamas leadership is hunkering which Palestine hopes will turn the tides of the narrative.

but they’ve overlooked the impact of smartphones and HD video. We’ve all seen it and can’t unsee it, and that’s going to be a challenge when it comes to public sympathy.

Pretty dang close

 

[Montana]

Ironically it’s wrong on nearly every front, lol.

Israel didn’t carpet bomb or blow up a school…..Hamas not only didn’t overlook smartphones & the virality of it, they leaned into it to the point of having GoPro’s for some of their attacks.

Insanely the world did have public sympathy remarkably fast for Palestinians….and a terrorist misfire that hit a hospital in Gaza, had a huge effect on shaping narratives against Israel, due to inaccurate reporting.

You were right that they’d use white phosphorus tho.

 

[Montana]

on this topic:

obviously it’s fair that the numbers decreased since the explosion wasn’t what it was thought to be in the moment….but that’s fascinating that their intel caught them inflating numbers in real time, because of the disinfo out there about it potentially being Israel.

It’s like evil marketing on steroids….halfway through today when I checked the GazaHospital hashtag, or one like that referring to the explosion….it was all still disinfo for the first 10 posts or so.

 

[Montana]

Whether it was Israel or not isn't relevant. Let's say for the sake of argument that it was from Israel. Can it be proven that they meant to hit a hospital? What would their motive be for leaving themselves open to worldwide scorn? Israel launching artillery or missile strikes into populated areas will naturally yield unintended collateral damage. But no one killed by Hamas in that attack was collateral anything. Every person they killed, men, women, children, babies, beheaded or not, was a person they meant to kill. There's no equivalency here.

I think he’s saying you’re anti-Semitic for not believing the babies story, but believing news reports that Israel had bombed a hospital.

 

[mbow30]

Ironically it’s wrong on nearly every front, lol.

Israel didn’t carpet bomb or blow up a school…..Hamas not only didn’t overlook smartphones & the virality of it, they leaned into it to the point of having GoPro’s for some of their attacks.

Insanely the world did have public sympathy remarkably fast for Palestinians….and a terrorist misfire that hit a hospital in Gaza, had a huge effect on shaping narratives against Israel, due to inaccurate reporting.

You were right that they’d use white phosphorus tho.

Man did anybody miss this guy?

 

[LeafOfFaith]

I think WeHave has been pretty clear about NOT being an antisemite before posting antisemitic statements.

 

[Montana]

I can’t recall exactly what the others were, but I remember thinking a few Onion titles lately were kinda sus on this topic…..but this one just now, seems particularly fucked given what went down last night.

They were the only ones that had it right







“NY Times Reports It Was You, The Reader, Who Blew Up Hospital.”

would have been more fitting.

 

[MindzEye]

 

[axlsalinger]

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

I think he’s saying you’re anti-Semitic for not believing the babies story, but believing news reports that Israel had bombed a hospital.

I never said I believed the hospital story.

Or do you mean "you're" in the general sense, as in "He's saying that one is anti-Semitic if one does not believe the babies story"?

 

[WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou]

I think WeHave has been pretty clear about NOT being an antisemite before posting anti-Israeli statements.

Fixed.

 

[Montana]

I never said I believed the hospital story.

Or do you mean "you're" in the general sense, as in "He's saying that one is anti-Semitic if one does not believe the babies story"?

yeah, saying if you believe one and not the other you’re showing a consistent underlying anti-semitic bias.

where it falls short imo is one was a heavily reported incident by all main news channels, of an explosion in Gaza, where Israel is bombing, with on the ground war journalists saying it sounded too big to be a Hamas missile in their experience…..so it’s pretty stock for people to take the reporting at face value, until IDF told everyone otherwise.

The failure of the hospital story is all the mainstream press who took Palestinian/Hamas reporting on it and ran with it…..without having additional sourcing or evidence to back it up.


Now, if you hear the IDF’s response to it, and the. see all the evidence they provided and choose not to believe??….then you absolutely are showing the kind of bias he alluded to. That person would have an agenda going in and would believe whoever told him what he wanted to hear.

 

[Montana]

Fixed.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

WeHave is NOT antisemitic, just anti-Israeli, and to prove it, he will admit that he would be very much pro-Israel if the Palestinians took it from the Jews and massacred them along the way. But therein lies the essence of the conflict.

 

[Montana]

on this topic:

now back up to 471, which feels extremely unlikely….they must have felt enough people on social media were blaming Israel to jack it back up.


wonder if/when we‘ll get any independent confirmation on a death toll.