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LeafGm said:
This is complete BS. Reminds me of all the pleas of “don’t blame the Russian people, this is all Putin’s fault” at the outset of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

When the reality is that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians & Russians support their dogshit governments and the atrocities they commit. And any who don’t are too apathetic to do anything.
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What do you think happens to people in Russia who express dissent? Same thing that happens to Palestinians who differ with Hamas. If I were a Russian citizen trapped in Moscow I'd be pro-Putin too, even if I wasn't, because I don't want to wind up in Siberia or the Ukrainian steppe.
 
Just curious, what was their explanation for how that was a mistake? They were hit three separate times, traveling on an approved route and had World Central Kitchen on their roofs, no?
 
hockeylover said:
Just curious, what was their explanation for how that was a mistake? They were hit three separate times, traveling on an approved route and had World Central Kitchen on their roofs, no?
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being investigated as a friendly fire incident right now, is my understanding
 
leafman101 said:
Yeah, IDF admitted it. Just goes to show they are the ones that tell the truth. No issues admitting when they fuck up.
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yet somehow never get any credit for that and somehow most folks accept the claims of the murderous Islamist terrorist organization as more valid than that of a democracy's armed forces.
 
but I mean regardless of how it happened, it's a tragedy. and hopefully does not make it that much harder to get aid into those tough to reach places.
 

View: https://twitter.com/MonicaLMarks/status/1775443415896891898

As he put it in a phone conversation, not our first, he said, "Early this week, an elderly man standing in the middle of the market cursed Ahmed Yassin for giving us Hamas" – Yassin was one of the Hamas leaders assassinated by Israel in 2004. "I blew him a kiss for his courage. I'm not for cursing a dead man, but I love it when people rebel."

I didn't know Basel before we started our phone correspondence; he initiated the contact to express his fury at what he calls "Hamas' takeover of our narrative." He's angry that the Palestinians outside Gaza and their supporters expect Gazans to shut up and not criticize Hamas, because the criticism ostensibly helps the enemy. He rejects the assumption that doubting the decisions and actions of this armed group – and to do so publicly – is an act of treason.

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So he and his friends sat at the café and criticized Hamas. But, "the owner heard us and told an employee not to serve us until we went," Shaher says and adds: "The café owner may agree with the criticism, but it was clear he got afraid." Meaning, he was afraid that someone from Hamas might overhear and harm him in one way or another.

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Basel and Shaher boil with anger when they talk about the silence of the Palestinian and Arab-world media – and about the freelance photographers who turn their cameras aside when one of the people gathering around the rubble cries out against the Islamic resistance movement rather than only against Israel, the United States and the world in general. Whether they're photographers who support Hamas or are simply afraid of the group, the result is the same.

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Based on their experience, they and Basel find it hard to believe the results of a Palestinian poll that found that support for October 7 was still high, and that the majority – which did not see the videos of the atrocities – believe that no crimes were committed during the attack.

Shaher generalizes, saying, "It's very hard to conduct surveys among Arabs. Everybody has two opinions concerning nationalist and military pride: one opinion for the external world including the pollster, and a second opinion, the real one, that you keep to yourself.
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