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Wayward DP said:
The IDF has confirmed firing shots at the crowds, but deny the stated casualties. I’d kinda like to get a clearer sense of what is actually happening
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So then do that. Don’t spread their propaganda. The IDF doesn’t shoot down civilians, unless the civilians were attacking them and posing a risk to their lives.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
So then do that. Don’t spread their propaganda. The IDF doesn’t shoot down civilians, unless the civilians were attacking them and posing a risk to their lives.
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sorry but you don’t get editorial control on these message boards. It was a tweet containing various allegations/news reports, no different from most others in this thread.

and you say with certainty that the IDF doesn’t target civilians yet cannot actually back that statement up with proof. I used to feel the same way but this conflict has upended my previous assumptions. There are credible reports that I find deeply upsetting and offensive.

Discipline in the IDF has greatly eroded, which should be a concern for all of us. The ostrich approach won’t help matters here. In fact, if anything, we should want full transparency and accountability
 
Wayward DP said:
sorry but you don’t get editorial control on these message boards. It was a tweet containing various allegations/news reports, no different from most others in this thread.

and you say with certainty that the IDF doesn’t target civilians yet cannot actually back that statement up with proof. I used to feel the same way but this conflict has upended my previous assumptions. There are credible reports that I find deeply upsetting and offensive.

Discipline in the IDF has greatly eroded, which should be a concern for all of us. The ostrich approach won’t help matters here. In fact, if anything, we should want full transparency and accountability
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Nothing has changed in 80 years. They’re not suddenly executing people in the streets for fun. Find some proof and post that, not the unfounded allegations.
 
zeke said:
problem is, for you, "israel said it" is the only "proof" you accept on any issue in the middle east.
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There is no history of this by the IDF, leaving some room for rogue soldiers in isolated incidents. Israel is the only country in the history of the world that warns civilians to leave areas that they will be hitting. Israel is the one that has been giving them aid to begin with. Now their soldiers are going to just start killing innocents in a crowd for no reason? I don't think so. If you want to argue the sun won't rise tomorrow, you need to prove it, not the guy taking the other position.
 
You know that hospitals in Gaza are deliberately built atop tunnels and other military installations, right?

And the main one you're thinking about is the one that Hamas hit with its own missiles by accident.
 
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