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OT: World Politics

MindzEye said:
It's pretty easy to sit on a Canadian perch and claim that social class matters more than race (also while ignoring native issues in Canada because we always set those aside when we discuss racism in Canada....)

I just don't think that argument holds up in the US at all:

www.wbur.org

Name Discrimination Study Finds Lakisha And Jamal Still Less Likely To Get Hired Than Emily And Greg

Economists sent 83,000 job applications to 108 companies. Applicants with Black names were called back 10% fewer times across the board.
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I’m not an American. What they do there is no concern to me.
 
MindzEye said:
Then tell me more about how economic class and not race is at the core of native issues in Canada?
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I’m not playing this game.
I don’t support affirmative action.
The issue of non honoured treaties is a race based.
It’s a bigger issue than affirmative action and the policies they cover.
There is a lot of American intellectual Imperialism in Canadian academia. I’m not a fan.
 
It does. Especially in hiring practices for federal, municipal and provincial postings.
It plays a huge role in arts grants and funding formulas.
It impacts promotion decisions.
I don’t support equity or race based hiring practices in Canada.
 
They do. They exist with the local fire department. They exist as quotas and “representation statistics and goals within the federal government
 
And just curious, how many generations of middle class / professional class people do you come from. I’m 50 and the first in my family. My nanny grew up without indoor plumbing until she was 12.
Historically poor people have always been treated terribly.
Addressing class and wealth inequality corrects this.
When you base it on race, the rich get the focus removed from them.
You just end up with a new crop of scape goats. I’m attempting to put the focus on a different scape goat:!
Galen and the loblaws crew. The Thompson family. Ron Joyce. The fucking Irving’s and fhe McCains. The poor lose most in the culture wars.
We can have social policies that disproportionately have a positive impact on struggling people of colour that also have a profound positive impact on struggling whites.
Address fentanyl. Legalize weed and have blanket pardons for pot convictions.
Stop allocating $.70 on every education dollar in support of the 20% of students who go to and succeed at university.
Placed more value on skilled trades. Bring back the honour attached with labour and hard work. Build more homes, involve government and get back into public housing. Attach the minimum wage to productivity. The minimum wage used to be indexed and had we have kept the index standards that were done away with in the seventies,Nick Hanauer suggests that the us would have a $35 per hour minimum wage right now.
There are a lot of things we can do that can help a whole Lotta people that bring a lot more people together and can raise up a whole lot more people while diminishing resentment.
Focus on the common struggle
Tax
The
Rich
 
Stinky said:
And just curious, how many generations of middle class / professional class people do you come from. I’m 50 and the first in my family. My nanny grew up without indoor plumbing until she was 12.
Historically poor people have always been treated terribly.
Addressing class and wealth inequality corrects this.
When you base it on race, the rich get the focus removed from them.
You just end up with a new crop of scape goats. I’m attempting to put the focus on a different scape goat:!
Galen and the loblaws crew. The Thompson family. Ron Joyce. The fucking Irving’s and fhe McCains. The poor lose most in the culture wars.
We can have social policies that disproportionately have a positive impact on struggling people of colour that also have a profound positive impact on struggling whites.
Address fentanyl. Legalize weed and have blanket pardons for pot convictions.
Stop allocating $.70 on every education dollar in support of the 20% of students who go to and succeed at university.
Placed more value on skilled trades. Bring back the honour attached with labour and hard work. Build more homes, involve government and get back into public housing. Attach the minimum wage to productivity. The minimum wage used to be indexed and had we have kept the index standards that were done away with in the seventies,Nick Hanauer suggests that the us would have a $35 per hour minimum wage right now.
There are a lot of things we can do that can help a whole Lotta people that bring a lot more people together and can raise up a whole lot more people while diminishing resentment.
Focus on the common struggle
Tax
The
Rich
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Why not…both tax the rich, and deal with systemic racism?

I definitely agree the rich need to pay more, cause currently it is nowhere close to their fare share. But that is not the only issue we’re facing.
 
Stinky said:
And just curious, how many generations of middle class / professional class people do you come from. I’m 50 and the first in my family. My nanny grew up without indoor plumbing until she was 12.
Historically poor people have always been treated terribly.
Addressing class and wealth inequality corrects this.
When you base it on race, the rich get the focus removed from them.
You just end up with a new crop of scape goats. I’m attempting to put the focus on a different scape goat:!
Galen and the loblaws crew. The Thompson family. Ron Joyce. The fucking Irving’s and fhe McCains. The poor lose most in the culture wars.
We can have social policies that disproportionately have a positive impact on struggling people of colour that also have a profound positive impact on struggling whites.
Address fentanyl. Legalize weed and have blanket pardons for pot convictions.
Stop allocating $.70 on every education dollar in support of the 20% of students who go to and succeed at university.
Placed more value on skilled trades. Bring back the honour attached with labour and hard work. Build more homes, involve government and get back into public housing. Attach the minimum wage to productivity. The minimum wage used to be indexed and had we have kept the index standards that were done away with in the seventies,Nick Hanauer suggests that the us would have a $35 per hour minimum wage right now.
There are a lot of things we can do that can help a whole Lotta people that bring a lot more people together and can raise up a whole lot more people while diminishing resentment.
Focus on the common struggle
Tax
The
Rich
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Everything boils down to those with money and those without money.

Candace Owens might be a black woman, but she was raised in privilege in a nearly all white and very wealthy community in Connecticut. Oh she knew how to play the race card when it suited her. She sued her high school for discrimination and was awarded about $25K. But in every aspect that matters, she is not and never has been a black woman. She's a rich woman and she has no black friends aside from Ye, who is another wealthy black guy who always sides with rich white people.

If OJ had been a poor black man he'd have been sent to the gas chamber at San Quentin years ago. But people with enough money and fame to hire 6 lawyers while living in Brentwood don't go to Death Row no matter what their skin tone is.

This is the class warfare of the 21st Century. Money vs Poverty. And if you consider yourself "middle class" you're probably fooling yourself and you're definitely closer to poverty than you realize.
 
Stinky said:
And just curious, how many generations of middle class / professional class people do you come from.
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The fuck does my personal biography have to do with this?


As for the rest, it's all very convenient to want to focus on the race being easier (tax the wealthy) "for everyone", when you start the race you advocate with a systemically enforced 50m head start.

What I'm saying is that we should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Tax the wealthy....and properly level the playing field for everyone else.
 
Wayward DP said:
Why not…both tax the rich, and deal with systemic racism?

I definitely agree the rich need to pay more, cause currently it is nowhere close to their fare share. But that is not the only issue we’re facing.
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Humans are wired to think in black or white. It's one of the more damaging things about humanity right now tbh. Creates so much division. But it's always been that way.
 
Stinky said:
It does. Especially in hiring practices for federal, municipal and provincial postings.
It plays a huge role in arts grants and funding formulas.
It impacts promotion decisions.
I don’t support equity or race based hiring practices in Canada.
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That isn't true but assuming it is. What is your solution for racist hiring practices?
 
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