gonna need owners with big ass pockets for this
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gonna need owners with big ass pockets for this
leafman101
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XUFC
Money and benefits I think could sway a lot of fighters - if this is true.
UFC has shown that you can get some decent talent to fill up the bottom and middle of an event pretty easily and this new XUFC could easily buy that. If they are smart they start off monthly and not weekly and can try and get at least four guys at the top of each card (or 16 guys to fight 3 times each year) and not go too crazy with weight classes to start and focus on building 2-3 weight classes (145, 155, 170). It’s easier to find fights fir heavyweight and prob light heavyweight that can be entertaining without needing a headliner. Can find some Asian/South American lighter fighters to likely cheaply fill up the lighter weight classes and also prob be entertaining for earlier on the card but still get international viewers to check it out.
there’s a pathway to get in on the ufc if there is enough money available to buy fighters. Or maybe this helps to push ufc to better payouts for fighters if anything
UFC has shown that you can get some decent talent to fill up the bottom and middle of an event pretty easily and this new XUFC could easily buy that. If they are smart they start off monthly and not weekly and can try and get at least four guys at the top of each card (or 16 guys to fight 3 times each year) and not go too crazy with weight classes to start and focus on building 2-3 weight classes (145, 155, 170). It’s easier to find fights fir heavyweight and prob light heavyweight that can be entertaining without needing a headliner. Can find some Asian/South American lighter fighters to likely cheaply fill up the lighter weight classes and also prob be entertaining for earlier on the card but still get international viewers to check it out.
there’s a pathway to get in on the ufc if there is enough money available to buy fighters. Or maybe this helps to push ufc to better payouts for fighters if anything
MindzEye
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Where the UFC is losing the plot is in not paying their elite talent. There is a ton of money there for things like a Bones v Francis fight. It would be box office crystal meth. But because neither will bend over and take the deals Dana wants them to take, the fight won't happen.
Yeah, the UFC has proven 2 things: 1) You can fill up your ranks with exciting, hungry (literally) fighters for fucking nothing & 2) The UFC brand is strong enough that they can sustainably make money by sending those guys out
But start to bleed some of these star fighters in their prime to another league that also successfully fleshes out their roster with real fighters, also spends money on good marketing and big arena shows, etc and I think the UFC will turn out to be way more vulnerable than people think.
Endeavour is something of a corporate finance shell game and doesn't have piles of cash laying around to fight off real, sustained competion that harms the short term bottom line.
They've built a sports promoter that only balances it's books on the backs of pure exploitation of it's talent base. That's not a sustainable business model anymore. It's way too easy for your money making fighters to look at the numbers they're pulling in for the company and wonder why their buddies in boxing, NFL, NBA, NHL, have bigger houses, nicer cars, etc, etc.
Yeah, the UFC has proven 2 things: 1) You can fill up your ranks with exciting, hungry (literally) fighters for fucking nothing & 2) The UFC brand is strong enough that they can sustainably make money by sending those guys out
But start to bleed some of these star fighters in their prime to another league that also successfully fleshes out their roster with real fighters, also spends money on good marketing and big arena shows, etc and I think the UFC will turn out to be way more vulnerable than people think.
Endeavour is something of a corporate finance shell game and doesn't have piles of cash laying around to fight off real, sustained competion that harms the short term bottom line.
They've built a sports promoter that only balances it's books on the backs of pure exploitation of it's talent base. That's not a sustainable business model anymore. It's way too easy for your money making fighters to look at the numbers they're pulling in for the company and wonder why their buddies in boxing, NFL, NBA, NHL, have bigger houses, nicer cars, etc, etc.
Deckie007
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UFC is not "the little engine that could" living in the shadows in bumfuck Alabama anymore. Fighters need to realize that and hold the UFC to actual fair pay. It's ridiculous how little the average roster fighter gets. Dana is always bragging about the gate and PPV buys but doesn't see a need to compensate fighters fairly.
MindzEye
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40/40 to get punched in the face on PPV is a fucking joke
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Unique idea to try and make teams. Not sure how it works for individual champions based on this - or if it’s only one team winning the championship which is weird from a fighter perspective
MindzEye
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Think it's kind of brilliant to be honest.
When you think of MMA's most successful fighters & individual events from a financial standpoint, they all had major national or regional appeal where they're from. Having a national following turned GSP from star into earnings superstar with his ability to fill the Dome. Conor & Ireland, even scrubs like Till being able to fill an arena to watch him get knocked out in Liverpool. UFC knows this and chases the heat to whatever fighter of the moment's home town for events. Why not try to replicate that without waiting for an elite fighter to come from a marketable place? Happens all the time in other sports. Lebron isn't from LA, Matthews isn't from Toronto, etc, etc.
When you think of MMA's most successful fighters & individual events from a financial standpoint, they all had major national or regional appeal where they're from. Having a national following turned GSP from star into earnings superstar with his ability to fill the Dome. Conor & Ireland, even scrubs like Till being able to fill an arena to watch him get knocked out in Liverpool. UFC knows this and chases the heat to whatever fighter of the moment's home town for events. Why not try to replicate that without waiting for an elite fighter to come from a marketable place? Happens all the time in other sports. Lebron isn't from LA, Matthews isn't from Toronto, etc, etc.
MindzEye
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All time greatester 185'er would have been Yoel with anything resembling a fight IQ.
I love the dude, but he's gotten too old to explode his way out of everything. He looked 44 tonight.
Deckie007
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Yeah and him thinking it was a 5 rounder was also funny/sad.
MindzEye
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Did he actually think that or was he trolling?
MindzEye
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I'll say this as well....Bellator is so bad, I'm not convinced that they're not secretly owned by UFC and are bad on purpose. Mauro & Big John are an epic train wreck as announcers. Bellator is fairly comparable talent wise to UFC in most divisions, but watching their broadcasts is just hard.
Deckie007
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Yeah the UFC product is top notch. Great announcers and production. Bellator not nearly as good.
GGpX
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Nick Diaz is such an interesting character in MMA, a world filled with people who need to have some kind of character to help sell themselves. And yet, he seems like he's been given the role of the Tragic Hero for his story.
If you have the time, read this from 2015 after the charlatans in Nevada suspended him for five years after testing positive for weed:
www.mmafighting.com
They eventually reduced his suspension by a substantial amount because of all the backlash they received, but still. There's some real deep stuff in there.
Having followed Nick's career for what seems to be 15 years, he's the most interesting person in MMA I've ever seen. He went from one of the biggest heels in MMA for a very long stretch - Go find the fight between him & Frank Shamrock if you don't believe me - to becoming one of the most beloved people in MMA despite doing everything in his power to stay away from the limelight. He's not like Conor, who does shit on purpose to get his name in the news. He went off, doing his thing and partied... a lot.
Nick's talked over the years about social anxiety and how much he "hates" fighting. I don't think he actually hates fighting, I think it's about how much he hates all the bullshit that comes around with it, from interviews, pre-fight stuff and just all of that.
He infamously had an interview with Ariel Helwani almost 2 years ago, and he's just all-around fucked up and looks like complete shit. I don't recommend anyone to watch this except a minute or two, its a trainwreck.
Fast forward 18 or so months later, they announce Nick - Robbie 2, which is a great fight.
Then yesterday, he has another interview, this time with Brett Okamoto,
And finally, Ariel had some thoughts about Nick:
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I don't know what to think of this fight. I just hope that, whenever Nick's actually done fighting, he can have a nice and comfortable life.
If you have the time, read this from 2015 after the charlatans in Nevada suspended him for five years after testing positive for weed:
Diaz opens old wounds on dark day in his career
Moments after the Nevada Athletic Commission handed Nick Diaz a controversial five-year suspension, the popular MMA fighter opened up to MMAFighting.com, perhaps like never before.
www.mmafighting.com
They eventually reduced his suspension by a substantial amount because of all the backlash they received, but still. There's some real deep stuff in there.
Having followed Nick's career for what seems to be 15 years, he's the most interesting person in MMA I've ever seen. He went from one of the biggest heels in MMA for a very long stretch - Go find the fight between him & Frank Shamrock if you don't believe me - to becoming one of the most beloved people in MMA despite doing everything in his power to stay away from the limelight. He's not like Conor, who does shit on purpose to get his name in the news. He went off, doing his thing and partied... a lot.
Nick's talked over the years about social anxiety and how much he "hates" fighting. I don't think he actually hates fighting, I think it's about how much he hates all the bullshit that comes around with it, from interviews, pre-fight stuff and just all of that.
He infamously had an interview with Ariel Helwani almost 2 years ago, and he's just all-around fucked up and looks like complete shit. I don't recommend anyone to watch this except a minute or two, its a trainwreck.
Fast forward 18 or so months later, they announce Nick - Robbie 2, which is a great fight.
Then yesterday, he has another interview, this time with Brett Okamoto,
And finally, Ariel had some thoughts about Nick:
The thing about Nick Diaz ...
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I don't know what to think of this fight. I just hope that, whenever Nick's actually done fighting, he can have a nice and comfortable life.
