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lecoqsportif said:
Pfffft. A career in the NASCAR division versus the old Adams division of the 80s?

Please.
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I suggest you take a look back at the standings throughout Stastny's career. Hartford was horrific for most of it. Buffalo was average as were the Habs for most of it. Boston was a perennial playoff team but hardly a juggernaut.
 
Habspatrol said:
I suggest you take a look back at the standings throughout Stastny's career. Hartford was horrific for most of it. Buffalo was average as were the Habs for most of it. Boston was a perennial playoff team but hardly a juggernaut.
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Standings have to be relative because someone always has to win and lose. It was a waaaaaaay tougher division.
 
I do strongly disagree with a lot of the lame, extremely subjective reasons a couple posters have given in their arguments for Stastny though.
 
Saw something the other day that somewhat surprised me. Crosby is 4th all time in points per game with 1.41, only trailing Gretzky, Lemieux and Bossy.
 
Habspatrol said:
I picked St.Louis as well. I think it's close, but I used the same arguments about the awards. Stastny was a great player but at no point was he ever considered the best or even in consideration for best player in the league in a given year, or close to the leading scorer let alone winning a Hart and 2 Art Ross trophies.
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I'd go with St. Louis, especially with adjusted point totals taken into consideration, but my favourite Peter Stastny statistic is that he is the second-highest scorer of the 1980s behind Gretzky.
 
Habsy said:
St. Louis wouldn't have won any trophies playing when Gretzky and Lemieux did.
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The History of Hockey section on The Other Forum generally will exclude 99's and 66's accomplishments when talking about top-tier players from that era simply because of the unfair factor involved in judging everyone else with them.

So for instance, in 1989 they will give Yzerman a retroactive Art Ross Trophy win for that year. It's obscene how much better than everyone else Gretzky and Lemieux were.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
I'd go with St. Louis, especially with adjusted point totals taken into consideration, but my favourite Peter Stastny statistic is that he is the second-highest scorer of the 1980s behind Gretzky.
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Definitely impressive, and of course part of that is circumstantial. He began his career in 1980, and started out great right out the gate.
 
Habspatrol said:
Definitely impressive, and of course part of that is circumstantial. He began his career in 1980, and started out great right out the gate.
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Well he was 24 in his rookie season I believe, which is pretty advanced for a freshman age-wise. Plus he had the advantage of playing behind the Iron Curtain on outstanding Czechoslovakian teams for many years previously.
 
JaysCyYoung said:
I'm pretty sure he'd rank third ahead of Bossy if they normalized scoring totals to account for era too. Crazy.
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Yeah I'd like to see the top 10 or so adjusted points per game. I assume Sid would be 3rd and not as far behind Wayne and Mario as some would think... but there's likely a healthy gap still.
 
yup.

considering the disparity in scoring eras, that's astonishing.


Here's a stat to put it in perspective:

Adjusted Points per game

Crosby 1.74
Lemieux 1.68
Gretzky 1.66
Ovechkin 1.49
Malkin 1.49
Forsberg 1.38
Jagr 1.34
Orr 1.33
Howe 1.24
Lindros 1.23

Note: there may be others missing from this top 10 - there's no actual list of this stat.

Note II: Sid, Ovie, Malkin are in their primes, and haven't had to play through their decline years yet.
 
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