Habsy
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Meh, far right nutters. Most Christians don’t subscribe to dictating. Spanish Inquisition was long ago.
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Meh, far right nutters. Most Christians don’t subscribe to dictating. Spanish Inquisition was long ago.
Wayward DP
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Re: OT: American Politics
Given the tilt of the mainstream GOP currently, I don't think you can write off the loonies as belonging just to the fringes any longer.
And this is without even getting into the abortion zealots.
A lot of religious people (not even fundamentalists) also strongly reject the idea that the gays should have any rights, let alone close to equal ones.
Given the tilt of the mainstream GOP currently, I don't think you can write off the loonies as belonging just to the fringes any longer.
And this is without even getting into the abortion zealots.
A lot of religious people (not even fundamentalists) also strongly reject the idea that the gays should have any rights, let alone close to equal ones.
Wayward DP
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Re: OT: American Politics
Given the tilt of the mainstream GOP currently, I don't think you can write off the loonies as belonging just to the fringes any longer.
And this is without even getting into the abortion zealots.
A lot of religious people (not even fundamentalists) also strongly reject the idea that the gays should have any rights, let alone close to equal ones.
Given the tilt of the mainstream GOP currently, I don't think you can write off the loonies as belonging just to the fringes any longer.
And this is without even getting into the abortion zealots.
A lot of religious people (not even fundamentalists) also strongly reject the idea that the gays should have any rights, let alone close to equal ones.
Habsy
Just Walking About Aimlessly
Re: OT: American Politics
Your point is taken. I'm Christian, I do go to church although occasionally. I'm a firm believer that Christ would not approve of heavy handed forcing people to "believe". His whole message was be kind to everyone and try to teach them but if they resist, move on. You cannot force anyone into believing something. That's been tried for millennia, unsuccessfully I might add because it only breeds contempt. I believe someone has just as much right to be atheist, agnostic, whatever as they do believing in their own religion.
Your point is taken. I'm Christian, I do go to church although occasionally. I'm a firm believer that Christ would not approve of heavy handed forcing people to "believe". His whole message was be kind to everyone and try to teach them but if they resist, move on. You cannot force anyone into believing something. That's been tried for millennia, unsuccessfully I might add because it only breeds contempt. I believe someone has just as much right to be atheist, agnostic, whatever as they do believing in their own religion.
Habsy
Just Walking About Aimlessly
Re: OT: American Politics
Yeah, most don't. Especially the hardcore bible thumpers. My experience has been they keep to their congregations but yes, there is a faction of the GOP that does not want to keep to themselves and are attempting to use religious persecution as a reason to persecute others. It's hypocritical and just plain dumb.
Yeah, most don't. Especially the hardcore bible thumpers. My experience has been they keep to their congregations but yes, there is a faction of the GOP that does not want to keep to themselves and are attempting to use religious persecution as a reason to persecute others. It's hypocritical and just plain dumb.
Re: OT: American Politics
I couldn't agree more. Whatever someone needs to believe to make their life make sense... more power to them.
Unfortunately I haven't met many Christians that don't complain about Christ being taken out of the classroom. They blame everything on that.
I couldn't agree more. Whatever someone needs to believe to make their life make sense... more power to them.
Unfortunately I haven't met many Christians that don't complain about Christ being taken out of the classroom. They blame everything on that.
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True story.
A lot of people focus on hating everything they don't believe in rather than loving and accepting people who are different and don't believe what they believe.
True story.
A lot of people focus on hating everything they don't believe in rather than loving and accepting people who are different and don't believe what they believe.
uncus
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Re: OT: American Politics
I am a Christian, and I do lack in many many areas
But I always find it interesting that others are very quick to jump onto the "and you call yourself a Christian " attitude.
It is always easy to sit at the back of the room throwing darts, and it is much harder to make a stand/committment on something than being some flake blowing in the wind, picking apart everything because they have nothing.
Jesus taught love and peace, he also taught to obey the father (yes I said father, get the gender cops after me) and to be patient and forgiving..... anybody who is against that has an issue imho.
Mennonites use strict discipline to raise their children as well as their animals (horses) and they turn out pretty well. So maybe there is something to having a more disciplined upbringing, because it isnt to often that you hear about mennonite children getting charged.
Also, I dont care if you are gay, you love who you love. But remember that if you go into a relationship where children are a physical impossibility, dont act like you have a right to them. Your choice.
Btw ....standards in this country have become so loose. We seem to be unable to admit we have failed in many many areas.
We have become so physically lazy .... and needy. Our species wont last long .... what other species picks up the shit of other animals? What other species invents way to destroy the whole planet? What other species will let food rot instead of sharing because of financial gain? What other species will deliberately poison and kill their own kind (cats havent learned chemistry yet).
So I guess what I am saying is that we are all the problem but yet, if we could pull it together, we could also be the solution. We are so quick to blame certain sects and special interests in society but so slow to take the log out of our own eye.
Jmho
I am a Christian, and I do lack in many many areas
But I always find it interesting that others are very quick to jump onto the "and you call yourself a Christian " attitude.
It is always easy to sit at the back of the room throwing darts, and it is much harder to make a stand/committment on something than being some flake blowing in the wind, picking apart everything because they have nothing.
Jesus taught love and peace, he also taught to obey the father (yes I said father, get the gender cops after me) and to be patient and forgiving..... anybody who is against that has an issue imho.
Mennonites use strict discipline to raise their children as well as their animals (horses) and they turn out pretty well. So maybe there is something to having a more disciplined upbringing, because it isnt to often that you hear about mennonite children getting charged.
Also, I dont care if you are gay, you love who you love. But remember that if you go into a relationship where children are a physical impossibility, dont act like you have a right to them. Your choice.
Btw ....standards in this country have become so loose. We seem to be unable to admit we have failed in many many areas.
We have become so physically lazy .... and needy. Our species wont last long .... what other species picks up the shit of other animals? What other species invents way to destroy the whole planet? What other species will let food rot instead of sharing because of financial gain? What other species will deliberately poison and kill their own kind (cats havent learned chemistry yet).
So I guess what I am saying is that we are all the problem but yet, if we could pull it together, we could also be the solution. We are so quick to blame certain sects and special interests in society but so slow to take the log out of our own eye.
Jmho
uncus
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Re: OT: American Politics
Agreed ..... but can I just accept them without having to accept their beliefs?
Agreed ..... but can I just accept them without having to accept their beliefs?
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You can think and feel what you like. That's my belief. As long as you're not hurting anyone.... have at it man.
You can think and feel what you like. That's my belief. As long as you're not hurting anyone.... have at it man.
Habsy
Just Walking About Aimlessly
Re: OT: American Politics
Remember you’re a Christian, not Christ himself. Give yourself a break (as long as you’re not hurting others).
Remember you’re a Christian, not Christ himself. Give yourself a break (as long as you’re not hurting others).
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My wife and I tried to have kids and were unsuccessful. Do we have a "right" to adopt? I mean should we have more of a right to adopt than an equally qualified gay couple?
My wife and I tried to have kids and were unsuccessful. Do we have a "right" to adopt? I mean should we have more of a right to adopt than an equally qualified gay couple?
zeke
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Re: OT: American Politics
life is better than it ever has been. by a long shot.
the idea that things are somehow bad or worse now is beyond silly, but something that is all too prevalent amongst the conservative religious set....and has now taken over our politics.
and yes, pretty much every animal would rather keep food and let it rot than share it.
as for being needy? isn't that why people believe in God in the first place?
life is better than it ever has been. by a long shot.
the idea that things are somehow bad or worse now is beyond silly, but something that is all too prevalent amongst the conservative religious set....and has now taken over our politics.
and yes, pretty much every animal would rather keep food and let it rot than share it.
as for being needy? isn't that why people believe in God in the first place?
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zeke
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more worrisome is that his outlook there is based on punishing gay couples that want to adopt.
nothing at all about the children who would otherwise be condemned to foster home after foster home.
more worrisome is that his outlook there is based on punishing gay couples that want to adopt.
nothing at all about the children who would otherwise be condemned to foster home after foster home.
Wayward DP
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Re: OT: American Politics
I agree that the bolded is true. But I would add that that specific statement only applies to human life. the rest of the planet is ****ing hurting, pretty much entirely cause of us. humanity is kinda a scourge.
I agree that the bolded is true. But I would add that that specific statement only applies to human life. the rest of the planet is ****ing hurting, pretty much entirely cause of us. humanity is kinda a scourge.
zeke
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Re: OT: American Politics
Christians brought down the Roman Empire and gave us the dark ages. Muslims brought down the Arab world into their continuing dark ages.
Now Christians are once again trying to pull us back into a dark ages because they can't handle that people like to have sex.
Christians brought down the Roman Empire and gave us the dark ages. Muslims brought down the Arab world into their continuing dark ages.
Now Christians are once again trying to pull us back into a dark ages because they can't handle that people like to have sex.
Habsy
Just Walking About Aimlessly
Re: OT: American Politics
All symptoms of the same disease. The bastardization of religion to control people. It’s all about power. While pursuing enlightenment they don blinders.
All symptoms of the same disease. The bastardization of religion to control people. It’s all about power. While pursuing enlightenment they don blinders.
Artnes
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Re: OT: American Politics
My biggest issue with organized religion was the moral superiority complex
Coming from a heavy catholic background it was driven into our heads that this was the only way and others are wrong. One Christ One God that's it.
My biggest issue with organized religion was the moral superiority complex
Coming from a heavy catholic background it was driven into our heads that this was the only way and others are wrong. One Christ One God that's it.