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Altair
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Altair
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Re: OT: American Politics
Their heaven "field of reeds" was pretty much the life you lived on earth would be the live you lived in heaven, so if you were poor as shit, suffered every day, were a slave, that would be your afterlife. If you were rich, you would be wealthy for eternity.
No wonder Egyptians gave up their gods for Christian and Muslim paradise in the afterlife.
Well, better than the Egyptians.
Their heaven "field of reeds" was pretty much the life you lived on earth would be the live you lived in heaven, so if you were poor as shit, suffered every day, were a slave, that would be your afterlife. If you were rich, you would be wealthy for eternity.
No wonder Egyptians gave up their gods for Christian and Muslim paradise in the afterlife.
UWHabs
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Re: OT: American Politics
Yeah, when you dig down into doctrine, it's really astonishing that it's actually survived for so long (Christianity for over 2000 years, Judaism/Islam for longer). But a lot of it probably comes down to the fact that they basically give you the promise of eternal happiness if you "follow" the teachings, and I'd guess that a vast majority who believe, believe that they're on the right path.
And for some people, I don't have a big problem with religion. I mean, in some communities the church is basically somewhere to hang out other than the bar, and at least the general tenets should have people acting like a good person (don't lie/steal/murder/etc...). But because people are basically sheep to the religion and will follow what their pastor/ministor/priest tells them with virtually 100% dedication, it makes it so easy for people to pervert it to whatever they like, and the people following won't question it at all. So when they say that gays are evil and out to destroy society, people don't stop to question WWJD.
Yeah, when you dig down into doctrine, it's really astonishing that it's actually survived for so long (Christianity for over 2000 years, Judaism/Islam for longer). But a lot of it probably comes down to the fact that they basically give you the promise of eternal happiness if you "follow" the teachings, and I'd guess that a vast majority who believe, believe that they're on the right path.
And for some people, I don't have a big problem with religion. I mean, in some communities the church is basically somewhere to hang out other than the bar, and at least the general tenets should have people acting like a good person (don't lie/steal/murder/etc...). But because people are basically sheep to the religion and will follow what their pastor/ministor/priest tells them with virtually 100% dedication, it makes it so easy for people to pervert it to whatever they like, and the people following won't question it at all. So when they say that gays are evil and out to destroy society, people don't stop to question WWJD.
Altair
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Re: OT: American Politics
Islam is younger than Christianity(Muhammed died in 632 AD), but yes, dig down into the doctrine of each and it's a miracle they survived. Especially when I was in church and actually read the bible, and asked what parts of it are no longer relevant/to be followed in our present day, and was told the entire bible is the truth, it's word is the law Christians should live by, and how gods word is unquestionable.
Ok, so, when is the next stoning of adulterous women taking place?
Christianity in its modern form came to be around 300-400 AD when the romans finally decided that if they couldn't beat it they would take it over and organize it, and after they got leading Christian sects to come together and decide what would be considered Canon and what would be left out, what would be considered the word of god, what would be accepted as the word of Jesus and his disciples, and in effect, the bible. And they have changed little since. It's not a living document, like a constitution that adapts and grows as it ages, with different societies and passage of time.
No, people are living by the rules set by a bunch of men who were around 1600-1700 years ago. I find it foolish that americans live by the sentiments of their founding fathers who lived 350 odd years ago, but Christians who follow the bible as the unquestionable word of god, meaning that they continue to push against things like gay marriage and abortion, masturbation and birth control?
I have no words.
Islam is younger than Christianity(Muhammed died in 632 AD), but yes, dig down into the doctrine of each and it's a miracle they survived. Especially when I was in church and actually read the bible, and asked what parts of it are no longer relevant/to be followed in our present day, and was told the entire bible is the truth, it's word is the law Christians should live by, and how gods word is unquestionable.
Ok, so, when is the next stoning of adulterous women taking place?
Christianity in its modern form came to be around 300-400 AD when the romans finally decided that if they couldn't beat it they would take it over and organize it, and after they got leading Christian sects to come together and decide what would be considered Canon and what would be left out, what would be considered the word of god, what would be accepted as the word of Jesus and his disciples, and in effect, the bible. And they have changed little since. It's not a living document, like a constitution that adapts and grows as it ages, with different societies and passage of time.
No, people are living by the rules set by a bunch of men who were around 1600-1700 years ago. I find it foolish that americans live by the sentiments of their founding fathers who lived 350 odd years ago, but Christians who follow the bible as the unquestionable word of god, meaning that they continue to push against things like gay marriage and abortion, masturbation and birth control?
I have no words.
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worm
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Re: OT: American Politics
i found my religious experience as a child quite good
(raised lutheran in small town saskatchewan)
my church really spoke of tolerance and love
if they tried to brainwash us they failed because myself and my 3 brothers are all atheists now
i found my religious experience as a child quite good
(raised lutheran in small town saskatchewan)
my church really spoke of tolerance and love
if they tried to brainwash us they failed because myself and my 3 brothers are all atheists now
worm
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worm
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Re: OT: American Politics
step one in my becoming an atheist was....if god exists....god is either one of two things... not all powerful, all loving, etc or a piece of shit
neither are worthy of my worship
step one in my becoming an atheist was....if god exists....god is either one of two things... not all powerful, all loving, etc or a piece of shit
neither are worthy of my worship
zeke
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worm
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Re: OT: American Politics
maybe not directly
but you were
adam and eve
jesus dying for your sins
maybe not directly
but you were
adam and eve
jesus dying for your sins
zeke
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zeke
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Re: OT: American Politics
emphasizing tolerance and love usually does counteract the brainwashing, true enough.
emphasizing tolerance and love usually does counteract the brainwashing, true enough.
worm
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zeke
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Re: OT: American Politics
like, why the **** do i have to pay for Adam & Eve's sin?
what the **** is that all about?
like, why the **** do i have to pay for Adam & Eve's sin?
what the **** is that all about?
worm
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Re: OT: American Politics
ummm that one dood would not sleep with his sister in law so he spilt his seed on the ground - god killed him iirc
so masturbation is wrong
ummm that one dood would not sleep with his sister in law so he spilt his seed on the ground - god killed him iirc
so masturbation is wrong