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Re: OT: American Politics

i find it weird that the most hate filled people on my social media are the christians

the point of jesus was this

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

did they just missed that second part?


i think jesus was awesome (or whomever wrote his stories) and it has nothing to do with miracles
 
Re: OT: American Politics

i find it weird that the most hate filled people on my social media are the christians

the point of jesus was this

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

did they just missed that second part?


i think jesus was awesome (or whomever wrote his stories) and it has nothing to do with miracles

it's paulianity, not christianity.
 
Re: OT: American Politics

curiously, the bible says nothing about any of those topics.

God punishing Sodom

Masturbation

“So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31).

“Everything that does not come from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20).

“The fruit of the Spirit is . . . self-control” (Galatians 5:22–23).

abortion

You knit me in my mother's womb . . . nor was my frame unknown to you when I was made in secret" (Ps. 139: 13,15)

Stuff taken from bible study sites on the net.

Again, based on the doctrine of men who lived 1700 years ago.
 
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God punishing Sodom

Masturbation

“So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31).

“Everything that does not come from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20).

“The fruit of the Spirit is . . . self-control” (Galatians 5:22–23).

don't see masturbation in there.

abortion

You knit me in my mother's womb . . . nor was my frame unknown to you when I was made in secret" (Ps. 139: 13,15)

Stuff taken from bible study sites on the net.

Again, based on the doctrine of men who lived 1700 years ago.

don't see abortion in there.


but here's a nice passage giving specific instructions on how to conduct a god-sanctioned abortion:

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”
 
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don't see masturbation in there.



don't see abortion in there.


but here's a nice passage giving specific instructions on how to conduct a god-sanctioned abortion:

Yeah, the insanity of trying to use a document patched together by men 1700 years ago to tackle modern morality.
 
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Yeah, when you dig down into doctrine, it's really astonishing that it's actually survived for so long (Christianity for over 2000 years, Judaism/Islam for longer). But a lot of it probably comes down to the fact that they basically give you the promise of eternal happiness if you "follow" the teachings, and I'd guess that a vast majority who believe, believe that they're on the right path.

And for some people, I don't have a big problem with religion. I mean, in some communities the church is basically somewhere to hang out other than the bar, and at least the general tenets should have people acting like a good person (don't lie/steal/murder/etc...). But because people are basically sheep to the religion and will follow what their pastor/ministor/priest tells them with virtually 100% dedication, it makes it so easy for people to pervert it to whatever they like, and the people following won't question it at all. So when they say that gays are evil and out to destroy society, people don't stop to question WWJD.

FYI Islam isn’t older than Christianity. It began around the 7th century. 600+ years after Christ.
 
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CNN evacuated for suspicious package.

CNN
Obama
Clintons
Soros

last 2 days.

That’s ****ed up. Even if the packages prove to be duds it’s still ****ed up.
 
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the past few pages of this thread have been gold. guess we found something most of us agree on...
 
Re: OT: American Politics

the past few pages of this thread have been gold. guess we found something most of us agree on...

Sometimes I love this site, they say you shouldn’t talk politics or religion. We say **** that, let’s discuss.
 
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Sometimes I love this site, they say you shouldn’t talk politics or religion. We say **** that, let’s discuss.

As long as people are thick-skinned enough to not take the stuff in here too personally, or to let it carry over to other threads, then yeah, politics and religion are great topics. Although the problem with the religious arguments in here is that seems like just about all of us are on the same page with it, so doesn't lead to as interesting conversation. The biggest reason the politics thread stays interesting is that there's a modest amount of disagreement on some thing (and the fact that Trump+co are complete nutters, so the left loves to point out their insanity at every turn).
 
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life is better than it ever has been. by a long shot

the idea that things are somehow bad or worse now is beyond silly, but something that is all too prevalent amongst the conservative religious set....and has now taken over our politics.

and yes, pretty much every animal would rather keep food and let it rot than share it.

as for being needy? isn't that why people believe in God in the first place?

Really zeke?
So, you dont think the environment is much worse than say 100 years ago?
Our water sources are being polluted and being depleted at a rate never before experienced.
Our natural resources are being harvested at a rate never before experienced in any age.
I do think you are correct for the rights and opportunities for women in this country, they have never been more available.
I do think that children are better protected than in the past.
Our air standards are becoming less because of the toxins we keep pushing into the atmosphere.
Have you tried to get a moose tag lately zeke? No one I know has gotten one in the past 3 years here in ontario. 5 years ago, alot more tags were going out.
I enjoy the pristine and quiet of the Bush up here (bruce mines), but constantly find water bottles and fast food garbage even in the most remote places.
I think what bothers me most is the perception of entitlement I feel from many people.
As for the other poster who replied to my comment about the adoption process and who should be more entitled. If you read my post, you would see that I said all things being equal, if a man and woman cannot have children and they can offer everthing the gay couple can, then the man and woman should be given preference. I never said that gay couples dont make excellent parents because they do. And one of my best friends is in a same sex relationship, and they agree that "if you want the car, and buy the car, then dont complain because you cant carry a load of wood like a pickup truck".
Finally, I do believe in Jesus and his works and words. It is a choice and to quote Martin Luther King, " every man has to do his own believing, just as every man must do his own dying".
It is a personal choice for me .... and by the way I can't stand trump lol, I do believe that abortion has its place but it should be a choice between the 2 individuals involved, I dont give a damn if you worship a pig with wings, that is your choice.
I dont try to hurt my neighbor ( my neighbours just moved in the same week as us and I did all their plumbing for free).
So, maybe everyone should relax and realize that yes there are many many horrible examples of people who profess to be Christian's, but that can be said for every single spiritual concept and belief .....
Hell, as I mentioned earlier, the biggest problem we have is ourselves ......
BTW zeke ..... it was that horrible Christian attitude that led me to offer you one of my homes for you to use a few years ago, when you were looking for a place ..... damn Christian's lol
I still love your posts and sorry if I am coming off as rude or judgmental.... go leafs go
 
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curiously, the bible says nothing about any of those topics.

didn't the old testament mention that you should not "spill your sperm" aka pull out aka birth control?

Did it not also state that it was an abomination for there to be sodomy?
 
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FYI Islam isn’t older than Christianity. It began around the 7th century. 600+ years after Christ.

true

all 3 start with the abrahamic god though


jesus was a prophet just not mesiah
 
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Sometimes I love this site, they say you shouldn’t talk politics or religion. We say **** that, let’s discuss.

i love talking religion myself

so much fun and so interesting
 
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i love talking religion myself

so much fun and so interesting

It's also great to play devil's advocate with, since most people don't even know a lot about their own religion.
 
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