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The 2019-2020 MotherFucking Season Thread

See, but if the results speak for themselves, then the results are very good.

Again, I don't see the value to your argument it ignoring that the Leafs have been a top team all around under Keefe. It just hurts your argument. If you think this team can't win a Stanley Cup as constructed that is one thing, but to pretend like they have been mediocre under Keefe is just objectively wrong.

You criticize everyone else for making excuses, but really all you are doing is making excuses for why the numbers are so good.
 
Temporary Boost: 54.75 expected goals for (4th) .916 sv% .775% point percentage (127 point pace - 1st)

Coming back to earth: 52.9% expected goals for (7th) .875 sv% .500% point pace (82 point pace - 21st)

It's almost like goaltending matters and that it doesn't matter how good the team in front of them is, you can't outplay ECHL level goaltending.
 
leafman101 said:
See, but if the results speak for themselves, then the results are very good.

Again, I don't see the value to your argument it ignoring that the Leafs have been a top team all around under Keefe. It just hurts your argument. If you think this team can't win a Stanley Cup as constructed that is one thing, but to pretend like they have been mediocre under Keefe is just objectively wrong.

You criticize everyone else for making excuses, but really all you are doing is making excuses for why the numbers are so good.
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How would you describe the team if they miss the playoffs or if they make it and lose in the 1st round? Blame it just on the bad Babcock start?

A team with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Rielly, Muzzin, Barrie? Not sure a lot of clubs can match that level of top-end talent.
 
Goaltending matters, another water is wet moment. Bringing this up almost tells me you don't read my posts (which you love to point out at every turn) and can't see that I have acknowledged the goaltending has sucked. That was the driving force behind my critique of Wonder Boy and him waiting 2 years to address it.
 
Also if me posting causes such irreparable pain amd suffering amongst the masses it is no hair off my back to just stop. I enjoy reading the forum and engaging with others but not important enough to cause constant outrage. Can understand why Jays, Montana, and PQ took off. Even HL for a while.
 
Boggles my mind that fans who slogged through decades of shit are now outraged to have this much young elite talent.
 
leaffan2005 said:
The goalies may be able to make more timely saves if guys stop pinching and cheating on the rush when they have a comfortable lead. They haven't been good but again hardly the only issue. Problem here is people are only capable of pointing to one thing and that is the ultimate issue with no context or room for other problems. Take the Rangers game. Hutch really wasn't bad in that game. That 3rd goal 6 seconds after the 2nd goal right off the face-off was inexcusable and had nothing to do with goalies not making timely saves. It was gross inattention to detail and general lack of effort/focus. That has happened more than people are willing to let on. Mostly because it doesn't show up in a shiny stat.
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First off we have already shown this to be false as they face right around the league average in HD chances per game. Like Mindz pointed out, maybe they are giving up ultra HD chances?

And that goal you speak of was a mess all around but Hutch did himself no favors by overplaying it and exposing the entire net. He couldnt have played that any worse if he tried.
 
leaffan2005 said:
Also if me posting causes such irreparable pain amd suffering amongst the masses it is no hair off my back to just stop. I enjoy reading the forum and engaging with others but not important enough to cause constant outrage. Can understand why Jays, Montana, and PQ took off. Even HL for a while.
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I think most people have you on ignore so you don't have to worry about causing destruction. I enjoy you and your posts; you're genuinely a terrific poster. I think you represent the broader media and fanbase and their voice so it's fascinating for me to get into the mind of people who think in this way. I personally don't really understand it and disagree with almost all of your opinions, but it's a nice voice to have that also helps avoid an echochamber around here.

And for the record, I think you had far better arguments when Babcock was around. I didn't necessarily agree with all of it, but it was getting hard to discount the possibility that the problem was the mix of players. That argument is an absolute disaster right now though and I'm not sure why you keep repeating it.

Be mad at the Leafs having a clear weakness in net, be mad at Dubas for waiting so long on a goalie, hell you can even be mad at Dubas for overpaying Mucho and Tavares if you want. But to criticize their play under Keefe is a bit odd to me. This is pretty clearly an elite, elite team.
 
I don't have anyone on ignore but teeds. It's just easier to follow if there aren't 5 unrelated, rambling posts in a row between whatever we're talking about.
 
And inB4 "dey kan't pleh d-fence"

Expected Goals Against/60 (all situations)

Babcock: 2.78 (22nd)
Unsustainable boost: 2.50 (7th)
Back to Earth: 2.58 (11th)

Comfortably above average in shots against volume/quality. A marginal difference between the two periods, with the "unsustainable period" receiving good but only just good goaltending (.916) and Back to Earth receiving ECHL level goaltending (.875)
 
MindzEye said:
I never want to be that close to you that I could possibly be between you and anything. Sounds way too hairy and sweaty for my tastes bud.
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The only reasonable criticisms of the Keefe era can be that Hutch fucked us a lot, and that we’re awesome but underperforming here and there. We’re not bad as 2005 keeps wanting us to be, just have a few off nights and given up some late leads. It frustrates us because we know we’re better than that, and we are. That’s why we have 20 wins out of 30 games, kinda in our sleep and dealing with a shit ton of injuries. These are reasons to think the team is way more awesome than it has shown, not the opposite.
 
leaffan2005 said:
The Real Standings are the only results that matter. Out of a playoff spot by points percentage on Feb. 10th. The team is underachieving, yes even under Keefe. And these recent stretch of games has been another example of why this is the case.
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I mean, they’re either underachieving, or fundamentally flawed. You kinda have to pick and stick with one
 
leaffan2005 said:
How would you describe the team if they miss the playoffs or if they make it and lose in the 1st round? Blame it just on the bad Babcock start?

A team with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, Rielly, Muzzin, Barrie? Not sure a lot of clubs can match that level of top-end talent.
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I will continue to evaluate the team based on the results under Keefe, if they continue to perform like one of the top teams in the league then that is fucking great and I will be very confident about the team moving forward.
 
Come on guys, advanced analytics show that even if a team has 1/4 of their players injured, another 1/4 fighting a flu bug, a struggling starter and the shittiest backup goaltender in the league, it will have zero effect on their ability to win or lose hockey games.
 
Thinking of funding the Leafs clubhouse again.

It was a blast first time. Chef robbed us blind though.

Not going to happen this time around.
 
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