Wayward DP
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How awful must it be to be forced to root against the team you ‘cheer for’ in order to prove your own hot take right?
The 2019-2020 MotherFucking Season Thread
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leaffan2005
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I mean they are doing worse against top competition. Not really a "gotcha" moment there.
Maybe y'all are right though. I probably think too much of this team which leads to perpetual disappointment when they are consistently shown to be a mediocre bubble team and a fraudulent contender. Puts these losses to bad teams in perspective. Talent wise a top-three team but hell this ain't basketball. A collection of talent is not the be all end all in hockey.
Maybe y'all are right though. I probably think too much of this team which leads to perpetual disappointment when they are consistently shown to be a mediocre bubble team and a fraudulent contender. Puts these losses to bad teams in perspective. Talent wise a top-three team but hell this ain't basketball. A collection of talent is not the be all end all in hockey.
leaffan2005
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Hell, I wish I was wrong. I wish my original prediction of them having a temporary boost from the coaching change was completely out to lunch. Sadly it looks like I was right all along. The excuse brigade will say otherwise but it is what it is. But hey, Matthews and Marner are putting up nice numbers and the PDO/Save percentage/CF%'s are pretty so there's that.
Wayward DP
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I mean, at this point it seems pretty clear that your opinion is only going to be minimally, if at all, influenced by results.
So do what you need to to keep your narrative
leaffan2005
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The Real Standings are the only results that matter. Out of a playoff spot by points percentage on Feb. 10th. The team is underachieving, yes even under Keefe. And these recent stretch of games has been another example of why this is the case.
Preston
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Why are you cherry picking games to lessen the sample size so significantly? Why are we ignoring Keefe's entire body of work? Just curious since basic math tells me that reliability decreases as the sample size decreases. But maybe it tells you something different? Let's hear it.
leaffan2005
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My genuine fear is that Wonder Boy makes a panicky trade at the deadline to try and recover some semblance of re-affirmation over this team being a genuine Stanley Cup contender. If his Barrie/Kadri deal is any indication, a fleecing may be incoming in short order.
leaffan2005
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I just picked the last month of games. It is no more valuable than the first stretch of games, just the most recent array of games where the team is playing shitty and losing their hold of a playoff spot. They had a hot start with Keefe. A lot of that was unsustainable 4+ goal efforts which of course couldn't continue.
Artnes
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It really is though as you went in assuming they do "much better" against top competition when really that wasn't the case
MindzEye
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Or just a moron.
leaffan2005
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The argument was they are top teams who are comfortably in playoff spots. Teams like that can lose to shitty teams as they coast into the playoffs with little consequence. Like I don't care if the Raptors lose to the Timberwolves tonight. Not sure why this is hard to understand.
Preston
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Fun tip: When you move the goalposts each and every time you're proven wrong, your ability to be "understood" decreases significantly.
Preston
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I just can't imagine he's that stupid. I think it's a troll. But maybe I'm projecting.
leaffan2005
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What have I been wrong about?
I said the Leafs would likely get a boost from a coaching change but that fundamental changes needed to be made because that was not the only issue with this club. They got a boost and are now coming back down to earth.
leafman101
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Just seems entirely insincere, and hurts your argument, to not be able to acknowledge the Leafs play under Keefe has been drastically improved and overall very good.
leaffan2005
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Sure it's been better. Hard to get worse with how they started and quit on their coach. No point agreeing with an obvious comment. Water is wet.
But they have underachieved, even with Keefe, given the collection of talent on the club. And a lot of their pretty numbers and point percentages are due to the first 20 games under Keefe where the goalscoring was on a historic pace. This has come down and the results have spoken for themselves, including some really ugly losses in the last few weeks.
Again, I think my expectations of the club were/are too high. It appears you all are content with mediocrity and don't think much of the team and their chances to finally win a playoff series after 15 some odd years. Probably a good strategy given low expectations usually leads to less disappointment.
leaffan2005
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The goalies may be able to make more timely saves if guys stop pinching and cheating on the rush when they have a comfortable lead. They haven't been good but again hardly the only issue. Problem here is people are only capable of pointing to one thing and that is the ultimate issue with no context or room for other problems. Take the Rangers game. Hutch really wasn't bad in that game. That 3rd goal 6 seconds after the 2nd goal right off the face-off was inexcusable and had nothing to do with goalies not making timely saves. It was gross inattention to detail and general lack of effort/focus. That has happened more than people are willing to let on. Mostly because it doesn't show up in a shiny stat.