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The 2019-2020 MotherFucking Season Thread

MindzEye said:
No

By the numbers, Freddy is exactly what a bunch of us have said that he is. A good, durable starting goalie. Not a star, not a superstar, just good.

If you're looking for the best goalies in the league over the last 2 seasons, it's Bishop, Lehner, Kuemper, and Binnington.
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Nice cutoff. Three seasons ago Lehner was .908. Bishop .916. Kuemper .899.

You can’t just pick and choose a new goalie every year, or just pick their best years. Andersen was better than all three of those guys three seasons ago. He was worse than Vasilevskiy, but better than him currently. You take the good with the bad, and with Freddy there’s a lot more consistent good than pretty much anyone else.
 
Is Lehner a sure thing to resign in Chicago?

They will eventually turn it around but is he interested in being in another losing situation for the next few years?

If he makes it to FA he is my target
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Nice cutoff. Three seasons ago Lehner was .908. Bishop .916. Kuemper .899.
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The change in cutoff doesn't flatter Freddy either.

You can’t just pick and choose a new goalie every year, or just pick their best years. Andersen was better than all three of those guys three seasons ago. He was worse than Vasilevskiy, but better than him currently. You take the good with the bad, and with Freddy there’s a lot more consistent good than pretty much anyone else.
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Why is consistency such a desirable trait? You would rather a guy who is .917-.918 on the nose every year rather than a guy with a bit of boom and bust to his game but can throw you a couple real Vezina calibre .930 seasons because he might give you a ~.910 mixed in there? They don't give trophies out to the most consistent club in the league, they give it out to the best club in the league and the best club usually has a guy who is playing his dick off. Yeah, fuck consistency, I'll take a Lehner, Bishop, Gibson, Binnington or now even Kuemper over that any day of the week. You're going to win as many cups with .917 tending as you will with .910. Give me the guy who can take over, thanks. Even if he can't do it consistently.
 
The think though is that freddy is inconsistently consistent. He goes on tears often enough.

We just have to hope he goes on one come playoffs time for once - and it might help if we decide to bury a team without his help one round to give him a chance to get his sea legs.
 
Might help to not play a top 5 team in hockey in the first round as well then.

As for Freddy's "tears", other than his customary November, he kind of doesn't really. Last 2.5 seasons, he's had 3 months with better than a .930. All 3 Novembers. Binnington has done the same 3 times in a calendar year, to use the most recent cup winning goalie as reference.

We only need him to do it once, but I'm not convinced he's capable of it without us dragging him there kicking and screaming like Chicago did with Niemi, LA did for the second cup with Quick, etc.
 
Well sure I doubt we get best-goalie-inthe-league from him but we should be good enough even without that.

I dont even know which goalies I'd feel comfortable getting on anymore. I think Gibson is the only one.
 
trujaysfan said:
This is toronto where all of our D are constantly trash and our goalies are gods gift to hockey... remember when toskala was considered a top 10 goalie
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Our defence isnt trash though ... but what is wrong by calling them out?

As I mentioned earlier ..... reilly hasnt been very good this season compared to his last 2 seasons.

Is it injury or is it personnel (defensive partners), I dont know.

But just because I said he has been shit, doesnt mean I dont think he is a great dman.

I have always been, and likely, always be a big big reilly fan ..... but his recent play defensively is not good.

Same for barrie ..... he came as advertised, puck moving machine that is weak in his own zone. Very prone to big defensive errors.

Muzzin is good but I dont think I would pay what he will probably want in his next contract. Actually, I know I wouldnt.

Holl has had some hiccups, but this guy is like finding money when you werent expecting it. I believe this guy still has more in him.... and I think dubas deserves alot of credit for seeing something there when many of us had written him off.

Ceci has neither grown as a player or was anything less than he was in ottawa .... I really believe that this guy, out of the other UFAs the leafs have on defence, might be the one that takes a discount to stay. (Unfortunate, I know lol, and dubas is too smart to want to keep him for another round).

Dermott is the apples eye for many here.
He can skate, he can usually complete a tape to tape pass ..... he can show some real nice hockey sense and patience, and then turn around and chuck the puck like a grenade. Wtf?

Sometimes he looks lost out there. Is it a result of his partner (ceci) or is it just the process of his maturity as a player?

I am not advocating the leafs dumping this guy, not at all, but he is showing some worrying trends. He has been injured and is still young..... but dermott doesnt look easy to play with either.

Maybe the pressure the defence incurs is the result of the leaf forwards blowing the zone before the defence even has control of the puck. (Kapanan is culprit number 1 many many times).

I think keefe is a smart man who is much more aware of these things than I am and will make the changes necessary, to strengthen this team.

I also believe that Anderson's play could be improved by obtaining another stable backup, to give anderson a break.
Every season the leafs mention that anderson is being over worked .... for me that is alarming. Is he out of shape? Is the problem mental?

Anyways, the leafs defence is not shit ... they are learning a new system .... they are young, and have amazing speed from their backend.

Btw .... how bad byfuglien's injury?

My dream addition would be nurse on defence ..... does anyone think dermott will be better than nurse and all he brings?

The leafs will make the playoffs, and you never which player will become the made for t.v. star.

Maybe the leafs take a page from the bruins and bring up the two kids and they become krugish in their performances.

Question ... how has sandin performed for Sweden in this years junior tournamant?
Is he dominating?

And why hasnt lilly been called up yet? I dont understand it .... why isnt he on the team already?

Have a great new years all ... bring on any team from our conference this season in the playoffs.... guaranteed win.

I believe the leafs go to the finals this season if Anderson can play his best, reilly finds his groove, and the injuries stop manipulating this lineup.

Leafs over tampa in 6
Leafs over Bruins in 5
Leafs over Washington in 6
Leafs and the avs for the finals ..... and then the alcohol lost its grip over my reality lolol.
 
little insomnia last night and i put together a couple all-p60 teams at about 3am and i like them enough now that i think i'll post them. I think my rule here was that any teammates in the top-12 had to be put on the same line, and then i filled in all the single available spots according to position. I think it worked out neatly - both top-12s here fit perfectly without needing to split teammates or play anyone out of position (except arguably malkin).

I used average p60 and p1/60 - i.e. basically just counting 2nd assists as half a point.

2yr Team (last year plus this year)

Marchand 2.69 - Crosby 2.68 - Pastrnak 2.49
Huberdeau 2.55 - Matthews 2.62 - Marner 2.76
Draisaitl 2.51 - McDavid 2.67 - Panarin 2.74
Stamkos 2.47 - Point 2.52 - Kucherov 2.70


3yr Team (last 2yrs plus this year)

Draisaitl 2.41 - McDavid 2.75 - Panarin 2.49
Marchand 2.70 - MacKinnon 2.42 - Pastrnak 2.40
Malkin 2.37 - Matthews 2.68 - Marner 2.34
Stamkos 2.45 - Point 2.34 - Kucherov 2.66



What makes this especially impressive for Matthews and Marner here is that of all the teammates listed here, they are the only ones who have mostly never played with each other on the same line. Which is actually pretty nuts. Every single other set of teammates there have been permanent linemates.
 
and dmen just for the hey of it:

2yr

Rielly 1.33 - Carlson 1.50
Josi 1.31 - Burns 1.31
Hedman 1.25 - Letang 1.29

3yr

Josi 1.27 - Carlson 1.34
Rielly 1.19 - Weber 1.22
Hedman 1.19 - Karlsson 1.20
 
zeke said:
yesterday the leafs sent Timmy down, but he's back up...along with Kivi.

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Either Pridham wizardry or we're about to see Ceci being a healthy scratch. Because I certainly kinda liked Marinch last game. Ceci might just be unplayable and if they can't trade him it's probably time to just scratch him the rest of the season.
 
Preston said:
Either Pridham wizardry or we're about to see Ceci being a healthy scratch. Because I certainly kinda liked Marinch last game. Ceci might just be unplayable and if they can't trade him it's probably time to just scratch him the rest of the season.
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yeah ceci is starting to look bad even in cushy 3rd pair usage right now, and Marincin looked pretty dang good in keefe's system, and can replace Ceci's PK minutes too.

I was also thinking that Marincin might have looked better than even Dermott has in a while, but maybe not.

either way it would be nice to see Lilly in there no matter who else comes out. Pretty good chance he's just a flat out upgrade to the dcorps at this point.
 
MindzEye said:
The change in cutoff doesn't flatter Freddy either.



Why is consistency such a desirable trait? You would rather a guy who is .917-.918 on the nose every year rather than a guy with a bit of boom and bust to his game but can throw you a couple real Vezina calibre .930 seasons because he might give you a ~.910 mixed in there? They don't give trophies out to the most consistent club in the league, they give it out to the best club in the league and the best club usually has a guy who is playing his dick off. Yeah, **** consistency, I'll take a Lehner, Bishop, Gibson, Binnington or now even Kuemper over that any day of the week. You're going to win as many cups with .917 tending as you will with .910. Give me the guy who can take over, thanks. Even if he can't do it consistently.
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I would definitely take the guy who’s consistently .918 over 5 years than a guy who’s over .920 twice and then down at .905 or lower the other three years. You might not make the playoffs in some of those down years, so what, just not even get a shot? And .918 is good enough to get you in and get you a cup in any one of those 5 years. Especially when you consider that Andersen goes on stretches where he’s unbeatable for a while. If he does that during a playoff run, it’s over. The cup drought, that is.
 
ME named 5 players he would rather have. Which kind of says it all.

No one is saying Freddy is the best goalie in the league, or even top 5. But he has been unarguably top 10 in every measure, every year he has been here and 90% of the replacements are an clear trade down. But sure, we would all tale a legit vezina goaltending
 
Ultimately though, Vezina goaltending doesn't really do it either anymore. How many cups to Price, Rinne, Lunqdvist, Vasilevsky, Bobrovsky have?

Almost every Cup winning team had two goalies capable of playing a lot at the time.

St. Louis: Binnington, Allen
Washington: Holtby, Grubauer
Pittsburgh: Fleury, Murray (x2)
Hawks: Crawford, Raanta, Darling
Kings: Quick, Jones
Hawks: Crawford, Emery
Kings: Quick, Bernier
Bruins: Thomas, Rask
Hawks: Niemi, Huet

All of those guys earned starting jobs at some point. Goalies run hot and cold, and the only way through that seems to be options.

I'd much rather pay two Andersen, or slightly worse calibre goalies $4-5 mill each, than pay one goalie $9-10. The ideal goalie situation is having a good starter and a backup that will get a starting opportunity when you cant afford both anymore.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I would definitely take the guy who’s consistently .918 over 5 years than a guy who’s over .920 twice and then down at .905 or lower the other three years.
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Wait...who the fuck is that? That doesn't describe anyone I mentioned.

You might not make the playoffs in some of those down years, so what, just not even get a shot? And .918 is good enough to get you in and get you a cup in any one of those 5 years.
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.918 in the playoffs means that you're getting 2nd best goaltending in almost every series

Especially when you consider that Andersen goes on stretches where he’s unbeatable for a while.
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Already addressed this last night, that's a myth. Well, not entirely a myth I guess, but it only happens in November every year.
 
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