The Fucking Season Thread - Redemption Tour '22

[Wayward DP]

Was this one it?

heh. I mean they have their pick of dives from the cunt but on first glance that one doesn't look too egregious if even embellishment at all. oh NHL.

 

[Preston]

I pointed that one out in the game thread if I recall. It seemed like an aggressive dive to me right away and it made me laugh really hard.

 

[Wayward DP]

I pointed that one out in the game thread if I recall. It seemed like an aggressive dive to me right away and it made me laugh really hard.

would need to see another angle

 

[Preston]

would need to see another angle

He just dove into the guy. It was a dive in its truest definition.

 

[hockeylover]

Didn’t end up even getting us a call did it?

 

[Preston]

Nope, no call

 

[LeafOfFaith]

except both those 'can't do' things are true during the regular season too. you cannot just magically make money disappear off of your cap - you need to complete some sort of transaction. teams are required to be cap compliant after the trade deadline. and you cannot bury full salaries on a whim anyhow.

Yes, so either they have to open it up like this in the regular season and allow the roster to stay intact over the cap in the playoffs, or they have to tell teams that they're screwed if someone gets injured and they need to budget for guys being out by staying under the cap all year. I don't see how they can allow replacements and overages and then just shut it off when playoffs start. You literally can't do anything with the replacements you brought in if you were at the cap when they got injured.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Was this one it?

Should fine the NHL and the refs for being blind fucks.

 

[Wayward DP]

Yes, so either they have to open it up like this in the regular season and allow the roster to stay intact over the cap in the playoffs, or they have to tell teams that they're screwed if someone gets injured and they need to budget for guys being out by staying under the cap all year. I don't see how they can allow replacements and overages and then just shut it off when playoffs start. You literally can't do anything with the replacements you brought in if you were at the cap when they got injured.

I think you are overcomplicating/overthinking things - all I am suggesting is that teams be required to be cap compliant in the playoffs in addition to the regular season.

I am not suggesting eliminating LTIR.

 

[Wayward DP]

He just dove into the guy. It was a dive in its truest definition.

looks to me like the guy tried to interfere with him and then he went down like a ton of bricks

 

[Preston]

looks to me like the guy tried to interfere with him and then he went down like a ton of bricks

Yeah he was getting in his way so instead of trying to skate through it or go around he dove into him. I found that funny at the time because you know exactly what he was trying to do.

Zeke said it best at the time: if he just stayed up for a bit longer he could have drawn a penalty. Flopping before any meaningful contact takes place is not gonna work for a guy with his reputation.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

I think you are overcomplicating/overthinking things - all I am suggesting is that teams be required to be cap compliant in the playoffs in addition to the regular season.

I am not suggesting eliminating LTIR.

Certainly can't claim to be an expert on the subject, so maybe I'm misunderstanding the technicalities of it.

Isn't the point of LTIR to allow you to open up cap space in-season to add matching salary to replace a guy who goes down? If that's what it is, and they keep it in season such that you can replace a Muzzin with another Muzzin, then once you have Muzzin 2 on the team, what are you supposed to do with these guys when everyone gets healthy, especially after the deadline? Muzzin 1 and Muzzin 2 have to both be allowed to remain on the roster until the next season.

 

[BG]

It's tough, because while being able to use LTIR to accommodate another player of similar value/cost - if that player comes off LTIR in season, you'd have to shed one or the other.

A simple revision to the CBA that indicates that your starting roster on any night must be cap compliant. So even if the Bolts brought back Kucherov for the playoffs (or Stone in Vegas) - they'd have to sit one or the other on gamenight.

 

[zeke]

It's tough, because while being able to use LTIR to accommodate another player of similar value/cost - if that player comes off LTIR in season, you'd have to shed one or the other.

A simple revision to the CBA that indicates that your starting roster on any night must be cap compliant. So even if the Bolts brought back Kucherov for the playoffs (or Stone in Vegas) - they'd have to sit one or the other on gamenight.

But that kind of let's you just bury bad contracts.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

I guess that's a solution. You can keep the players on the roster, but the lineup for a game has to be cap compliant.

 

[Wayward DP]

Certainly can't claim to be an expert on the subject, so maybe I'm misunderstanding the technicalities of it.

Isn't the point of LTIR to allow you to open up cap space in-season to add matching salary to replace a guy who goes down? If that's what it is, and they keep it in season such that you can replace a Muzzin with another Muzzin, then once you have Muzzin 2 on the team, what are you supposed to do with these guys when everyone gets healthy, especially after the deadline? Muzzin 1 and Muzzin 2 have to both be allowed to remain on the roster until the next season.

to apply your example to the regular season, if the Leafs replaced Muzz with say Chychrun, and if they had identical salaries, once Muzz was ready to be activated off LTIR, we would need to make corresponding moves to become cap compliant. so either find a way to fit Muzz and Chychrun under the cap or make other arrangements.

so I guess the answer to your question of 'what do you do when they get healthy' in the regular season is you have to clear cap room. in the playoffs, you do not.

so the functional difference is in the season, to activate someone off LTIR you need to get your roster within the cap. in the playoffs, you can activate someone off LTIR and be over the cap. *

*this summary may be offside some technicalities but I think captures the gist of it

 

[Artnes]

Hit a ref with your stick (even if you didnt mean to) who cares. Fall down when interfered with go to jail

This fucking league

“The safety of our on-ice officials is, and has always been, of paramount importance to us. In this regard, we have always exercised a zero tolerance policy when it comes to any form of abuse of our officials. Last night, one of our officials was struck by a player with his stick immediately after a face-off.”

“We immediately investigated the incident and, having conferred with the on-ice officiating crew and the NHL Officials’ Association, it has been determined that the player’s intention was not to strike the official but, rather, to initiate contact with the opposing player. Given this conclusion, it has been determined that no further discipline is necessary. This decision should in no way be seen as a diminution of our steadfast conviction to protect our officials.”

 

[LeafOfFaith]

to apply your example to the regular season, if the Leafs replaced Muzz with say Chychrun, and if they had identical salaries, once Muzz was ready to be activated off LTIR, we would need to make corresponding moves to become cap compliant. so either find a way to fit Muzz and Chychrun under the cap or make other arrangements.

so I guess the answer to your question of 'what do you do when they get healthy' in the regular season is you have to clear cap room. in the playoffs, you do not.

so the functional difference is in the season, to activate someone off LTIR you need to get your roster within the cap. in the playoffs, you can activate someone off LTIR and be over the cap. *

*this summary may be offside some technicalities but I think captures the gist of it

Good post, thanks.

The problem is, you can't do much of anything after the deadline. You can't trade guys off to become compliant, so what's the point of LTIR if it only gets you to the deadline and not beyond, I guess? If trading were allowed year round and in the playoffs, then you could look to a team and tell them to get under or else. But their hands are tied at that point. So some have abused it to get to that point and be "stuck" with a roster that exceeds the cap.

 

[Artnes]

The Maple Leafs need more from their goaltenders

A decent read on the current goaltending situation and one that sheds a glimmer of hope on Jack rounding out into what we expected him to be

It doesnt off much hope for Petey though

While the Leafs have done a good job of shot and chance suppression, their recent play has shown us that when they mess up defensively, they mess up defensively. When your goaltenders aren’t on top of their games, as Campbell and Mrazek have not been lately, opportunistic teams are going to feast.

Campbell and Mrazek have simultaneously entered slumps which have led to ugly losses and questions about the position.

While Mrazek has been below-average pretty much all season, with just three starts where his GSAx broke even (including one +0.01 instance), Campbell’s seen a precipitous drop-off in his performance in 2022. Campbell had just one game below a -2 GSAx in 2021 — a disastrous early-season effort by the Leafs against Pittsburgh. In 2022, he has six such performances in 13 appearances. Campbell ended 2021 with 14.8 goals saved above average to that point in the season. Now his GSAx sits at +1.2, having given back much of his early-season success.

 

[BG]

But that kind of let's you just bury bad contracts.

I should have made it clear that it was only for the playoffs.