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The Fucking Season Thread - Redemption Tour '22

Can't wait till he's gone and the WHOLE FORUM starts saying how thrilled they are and how he was finished, and we'll all forget what was being said long before that collective realization, as usual.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Can't wait till he's gone and the WHOLE FORUM starts saying how thrilled they are and how he was finished, and we'll all forget what was being said long before that collective realization, as usual.
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except pretty much everyone has admitted that this has been on the whole a down season for Muzz, and given his age and injury history there are concerns moving forward.

we just haven't decided that he has been done for the past two plus seasons and are not ruling out the possibility of him returning to a lesser version of his pre-injury self (which, to be clear, is still a damn fucking good defenceman and would really help our team).
 
Wayward DP said:
except pretty much everyone has admitted that this has been on the whole a down season for Muzz, and given his age and injury history there are concerns moving forward.

we just haven't decided that he has been done for the past two plus seasons and are not ruling out the possibility of him returning to a lesser version of his pre-injury self (which, to be clear, is still a damn fucking good defenceman and would really help our team).
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It's called being on the fence, and most of you are on it because you don't want his clear deterioration to be true and you also want to hedge in case he comes back suddenly strong and effective. That's okay, and if that happens, I'm a happy camper.

But the Muzz we've seen all year has been trash.

And Beauch was complete garbage his whole time as a Leaf. Literally the anti-Brodie.
 
Leafs d-men have to be perfect, or at least play mad after they're on the ice for a goal against, it's the only way to please the fanbase.
 
Why? How come I think Brodie is one of the best, if not the best, defensive dmen I've ever watched on the Leafs? Why do I think Lilly is so good? How come I think Rielly is actually pretty decent defensively, despite people here saying he's terrible?

If I point out the obvious, that Muzz has been trash, then that means I need perfection? Brodie, Lilly, and Rielly aren't perfect.
 
Wayward DP said:
pretty sure he played close to 30 mins a night on a cup winner. was at least 25 mins/night. dems da facts
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Don't care. One player doesn't win a cup. And maybe he was actually good when he played for them, I don't know, I'm not a Ducks fan.

I just know that in the blue and white, he was absolutely horrific. A circus act in his own end.
 
Muzzin is 33. The chances of him becoming healthier, and returning to form as a top pair D are slim. His problems seem to be purely physical.

Its not unsual for 33 year old dmen to fall off. Petry also fell off a cliff this year.

Its clear why Dubas wanted to go after a LD at the deadline above all else.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
It's called being on the fence, and most of you are on it because you don't want his clear deterioration to be true and you also want to hedge in case he comes back suddenly strong and effective. That's okay, and if that happens, I'm a happy camper.

But the Muzz we've seen all year has been trash.

And Beauch was complete garbage his whole time as a Leaf. Literally the anti-Brodie.
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most people: Muzz has not been trash this year, even though his play has declined. whether this is an injury related blip (ala Matt Niskanen) or age related decline remains to be determined. even if its only age-related decline, a slightly less than peak-Muzz is still a super valuable piece.
LOF: Muzz is trash. get off the fence the rest of you.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Don't care. One player doesn't win a cup. And maybe he was actually good when he played for them, I don't know, I'm not a Ducks fan.

I just know that in the blue and white, he was absolutely horrific. A circus act in his own end.
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hey I'm just out here pointing out facts. you can do what you want with them.
 
Wayward DP said:
most people: Muzz has not been trash this year, even though his play has declined. whether this is an injury related blip (ala Matt Niskanen) or age related decline remains to be determined. even if its only age-related decline, a slightly less than peak-Muzz is still a super valuable piece.
LOF: Muzz is trash. get off the fence the rest of you.
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I've been on the Muzz is trash train for the majority of this year as well. I was calling to trade him for a while.

All of the Muzz Lovers here keep telling us.. .it's Holl's fault, it's Lilly, .... it's "ignore that play.. focus on these ones where Mathews scored when he was on the ice, therefore good xGF"

Alls I know is that the team has played very well without Muzz in the line up and the pairings seem to work quite well. Especially Brodie/Holl

I say have Muzzin as Defenseman number 8 right now. With Sandin ahead of him.

Should an injury take place bring him in..,.. but right now and for pretty much the entire year, Muzzin is not a top four defenseman.
 
You just gotta watch the games. He can't move. His decision making is painfully slow. He has a clear path and a headstart to loose pucks and yet gets caught almost every time and turns over the puck. His reaction time is a negative number. He does nothing offensively. He has been BAD.
 
Hoss said:
I've been on the Muzz is trash train for the majority of this year as well. I was calling to trade him for a while.

All of the Muzz Lovers here keep telling us.. .it's Holl's fault, it's Lilly, .... it's "ignore that play.. focus on these ones where Mathews scored when he was on the ice, therefore good xGF"

Alls I know is that the team has played very well without Muzz in the line up and the pairings seem to work quite well. Especially Brodie/Holl

I say have Muzzin as Defenseman number 8 right now. With Sandin ahead of him.

Should an injury take place bring him in..,.. but right now and for pretty much the entire year, Muzzin is not a top four defenseman.
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I mean I quite literally in my post explained how I feel about Muzz and you ignored it and came up with your own version in your reply so I'm not sure exactly what to do here.
 
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