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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

How does Shanny push deals on him anyway? Is he coming up with trades, telling him to go negotiate them, or negotiating them
himself with other GMs? Or is he just expressing approval for something Dubie came up with himself? Hard to imagine him interfering on trades that did get made.

On trades that didn’t, if they were like the Engvall and Sandin moves, thank heavens.
 
what actually makes the most sense to me, is if the time in toronto did take such a toll on dubas' family (fair) that they collectively decided they'd only stay if the leafs really made it worth it financially by making him basically a president and giving him unprecedented money as a GM (sure, okay fair)

and that'd mean shanahan rightly picked up that his heart wasn't really 100% in it and also fairly decided to go in another direction.

because if shanahan truly meddled so much that kyle felt he couldn't do his job, yet kyle told shanny he wanted to stay anyway and had his agent present financial packages twice, that doesn't make him look very good.
 
just watched shanny's press conference, and twice he mentioned that the spotlight is hard on everyone's family, and he understands and respects that.

The only thing that shook him was Dubas saying he wasn't sure he wanted to come back. At that point the onus was on Kyle to make it clear he did, and he did not attempt to do so until it was too late. In fact asking for more money suggests the opposite.

Obviously there is a lot more to the story than we currently know. But this TMZ stuff is just silly. These are not hacks, and they have local sources. Lots of agendas out there.
 
hockeylover said:
what actually makes the most sense to me, is if the time in toronto did take such a toll on dubas' family (fair) that they collectively decided they'd only stay if the leafs really made it worth it financially by making him basically a president and giving him unprecedented money as a GM (sure, okay fair)
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I could see some variation of this being plausible.

because if shanahan truly meddled so much that kyle felt he couldn't do his job, yet kyle told shanny he wanted to stay anyway and had his agent present financial packages twice, that doesn't make him look very good.
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There’s a range of possible outcomes between complete autonomy, and “meddling to the point he couldn’t do his job”.

…and the fact he did want to return, points to that.
 
Montana said:
I could see some variation of this being plausible.




There’s a range of possible outcomes between complete autonomy, and “meddling to the point he couldn’t do his job”.

…and the fact he did want to return, points to that.
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Agreed but the Mirtle article is literally saying that the belief was that Shanahan's meddling prevented them from advancing.
 
Montana said:
There’s a range of possible outcomes between complete autonomy, and “meddling to the point he couldn’t do his job”.

…and the fact he did want to return, points to that.
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I don't see how literally blocking and forcing multiple major moves doesnt fall on the far end of that range.
 
axlsalinger said:
The only thing that shook him was Dubas saying he wasn't sure he wanted to come back
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Did Dubas say he wasn’t sure he wanted to come back?…..I know he said he couldn’t confirm or whatever until he spoke with his family, but did he outright say he didn’t know if he even wanted to?

axlsalinger said:
and he did not attempt to do so until it was too late.
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…just going off Shanny’s timeline, Monday is the presser, and Wednesday is when Kyle emailed back Or Thursday?
 
zeke said:
I don't see how literally blocking and forcing multiple major moves doesnt fall on the far end of that range.
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I dont think the reporting says he blocked, and forced multiple major moves.



edit: the wording in the article is multiple moves over several seasons.
 
MindzEye said:
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Ehhhh....that's fucking hacky to include in your story. These people love the chaos, it is literally why they exist.
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we all agree it's a shitty line because it's too vague and editorializing or whatever. it doesn't mean we have to throw out the entire concept of journalism.

and a blocked trade could literally be anything. maybe kyle was looking at a trade for Erik Karlsson, and Shanny vetoed it based on the enormous long-term ramifications of the contract. which really would be a logical stance for both sides.
 
axlsalinger said:
we all agree it's a shitty line because it's too vague and editorializing or whatever. it doesn't mean we have to throw out the entire concept of journalism.
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We're not the ones throwing out the concept of journalism. Journalism would be fucking wonderful. We don't actually receive journalism. We receive TMZ with ties and serious faces.

axlsalinger said:
and a blocked trade could literally be anything. maybe kyle was looking at a trade for Erik Karlsson, and Shanny vetoed it based on the enormous long-term ramifications of the contract. which really would be a logical stance for both sides.
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and that's kind of my point. The entire article is written in a way that forces to reader to personally editorialize and fill in the gaps with their own personal narratives.
 
Montana said:
I dont think the reporting says he blocked, and forced multiple major moves.

edit: the wording in the article is multiple moves over several seasons.
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sure did. blocked and forced multiple key moves over several seasons.

"On Friday, more details emerged on that front. Multiple sources close to the team said that Shanahan had blocked transactions that Dubas wanted to make at key points in the past several seasons, creating frustration in parts of the management group. Shanahan had also at times dictated certain moves he wanted made that Dubas didn’t agree with.

The president, as per his place in the hierarchy, typically won out in those battles. And, in some cases, the moves that weren’t made could have improved the Leafs’ ability to advance further in the playoffs."
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Montana said:
i did…it’s doesn’t say multiple major moves,
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So you're suggesting Shanny is blocking and dictating minor moves?

Hey Kyle, I hear this Nicholas Aubel Kubel guy was real gud for the Avs, sign him!

I mean, if you're going to own the piece mate, own the whole piece.
 
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