LeafOfFaith
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He’s more Littlefinger, but only the Littlefinger of that final season.
Not the brilliant Littlefinger of the earlier ones.
The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread
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Not the brilliant Littlefinger of the earlier ones.
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
“We will think about it and send you an email”.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
This is why women think men are stupid btw.
There are markers in this that are all too familiar and suss out her involvement? You mean after he said many times, and again today, that its a family decision to take on what needs to be done this summer and beyond? If it was solely up to Kyle this wouldn't be an issue.
On one hand you claim to take Kyle at his word and the other think he's what? Hiding behind his wife?
To me this is far simpler an explanation than it was all Kyle and people are being obtuse about it.
That's fine, have at it but that's a man that was having marital issues due to his job. Keep thinking otherwise.
thehabhater
Some call me Tim
I find it odd that the night before he was canned, Dubas texted Shanny that he wanted to stay on as GM.
Texting that you want your job?
What was said before the text was sent?
Texting that you want your job?
What was said before the text was sent?
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Uh huh. And you think Kyle elaborated past "marital issues"?
I don't. No way he stressed the severity because it's a position of weakness.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
Text: "Hey Shan just lettin u know i think i'm in - conditions: wire me extra $2m thru Western Union and no i will never trade the foot"
hockeylover
Well-known member
Welp folks, I am slightly neurotic and it really bugs me when I have to think "Wait, what did Shanny say happened again?"
So voila:
The Timeline/Transcript
In the middle of March, I approached Kyle in his office and told him that I had seen enough in my mind that I wanted him to be the GM going forward, but that he should take some time to think about it and if he was comfortable with that idea, I would start talking to ownership about that. Kyle appreciated that - we had a good relationship the whole year, that day was nothing different. He came back to me about a week later and said yes, he was comfortable moving forward and he said his agent would reach out to me but he didn't want to be a distraction for him and I respected his wishes that I wouldn't talk about it *with him* any further at that point.
Fast forward the end of the regular season, the playoffs, I had many good conversations with Kyle's agent. I knew his agent was giving him updates...
I knew I was in a position to come to him with pretty much a finished deal that reflected what he wanted financially and what he wanted as a GM, what was important to him. It was very important to me when the season ended abruptly that I was ready to go, I approached Kyle that night and said as disappointed as we all were I thought he had done a good job.
- describes texting him through the Sunday, another conversation in his office presented him with a contract with a framework that reflected what his agent and I had talked about, in an effort to get this done as soon as possible. Kyle took it, seemed pleased to receive the news so quickly, talked about the team for another couple of hours. I expressed to him it was not my intention to talk to the media until I had something settled with him. Expressed that I thought it was a good idea if he didn't either but Kyle said he really wanted to talk to the media and I respected that. He felt his players were speaking and his coach was speaking and he should too.
Part of our conversation in my office, in fairness, was this was hard on his family. We talked about how quite frankly its hard on all our families, it's a difficult thing, it's hard on the players, the parents, but it's the job we choose it's the sport we choose, we're fortunate to be in it but it does not come without a toll on the families i completely acknowledge that, we talked a little bit about that.
The next day, I would say while watching Kyle's press, I think at that point there was a shift in my thinking that as Kyle expressed he might not want to be our GM and I have to take that very seriously. As I;d said to him the day before, I understood those feelings, that pressure that players management coaches family members are under but it was a very real possibility at that point that I would be needing to look somewhere else, and that is what I began to do while still hoping Kyle and I could come to some sort of resolution. What I would say then was in the next few days I didn't get anymore clarity. Wednesday we met privately and I had probably more questions than answers - I did not get clarity. It made me feel that there's a strong possibility that - it's anyone's right to do so - he might not want to be the General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs so my focus again continued to the path of what do we look like next year with a different GM?
On Thursday Kyle had said that his agent was going to call me and that he would reach out as well. The agent called me and a new financial package was presented. I did not hear from Kyle throughout the day and got an email after dinner from Kyle saying he did want to be the GM. At that point, if I'm being honest, I had gotten to a different place about how I felt about the future and what was best.
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Yeah, sorry, how the fuck did this get twisted into Shanny doing anything other than the reasonable thing?
So voila:
The Timeline/Transcript
In the middle of March, I approached Kyle in his office and told him that I had seen enough in my mind that I wanted him to be the GM going forward, but that he should take some time to think about it and if he was comfortable with that idea, I would start talking to ownership about that. Kyle appreciated that - we had a good relationship the whole year, that day was nothing different. He came back to me about a week later and said yes, he was comfortable moving forward and he said his agent would reach out to me but he didn't want to be a distraction for him and I respected his wishes that I wouldn't talk about it *with him* any further at that point.
Fast forward the end of the regular season, the playoffs, I had many good conversations with Kyle's agent. I knew his agent was giving him updates...
I knew I was in a position to come to him with pretty much a finished deal that reflected what he wanted financially and what he wanted as a GM, what was important to him. It was very important to me when the season ended abruptly that I was ready to go, I approached Kyle that night and said as disappointed as we all were I thought he had done a good job.
- describes texting him through the Sunday, another conversation in his office presented him with a contract with a framework that reflected what his agent and I had talked about, in an effort to get this done as soon as possible. Kyle took it, seemed pleased to receive the news so quickly, talked about the team for another couple of hours. I expressed to him it was not my intention to talk to the media until I had something settled with him. Expressed that I thought it was a good idea if he didn't either but Kyle said he really wanted to talk to the media and I respected that. He felt his players were speaking and his coach was speaking and he should too.
Part of our conversation in my office, in fairness, was this was hard on his family. We talked about how quite frankly its hard on all our families, it's a difficult thing, it's hard on the players, the parents, but it's the job we choose it's the sport we choose, we're fortunate to be in it but it does not come without a toll on the families i completely acknowledge that, we talked a little bit about that.
The next day, I would say while watching Kyle's press, I think at that point there was a shift in my thinking that as Kyle expressed he might not want to be our GM and I have to take that very seriously. As I;d said to him the day before, I understood those feelings, that pressure that players management coaches family members are under but it was a very real possibility at that point that I would be needing to look somewhere else, and that is what I began to do while still hoping Kyle and I could come to some sort of resolution. What I would say then was in the next few days I didn't get anymore clarity. Wednesday we met privately and I had probably more questions than answers - I did not get clarity. It made me feel that there's a strong possibility that - it's anyone's right to do so - he might not want to be the General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs so my focus again continued to the path of what do we look like next year with a different GM?
On Thursday Kyle had said that his agent was going to call me and that he would reach out as well. The agent called me and a new financial package was presented. I did not hear from Kyle throughout the day and got an email after dinner from Kyle saying he did want to be the GM. At that point, if I'm being honest, I had gotten to a different place about how I felt about the future and what was best.
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Yeah, sorry, how the fuck did this get twisted into Shanny doing anything other than the reasonable thing?
thehabhater
Some call me Tim
There is no doubt that family was an issue. But how did an extra 2 million dollars make that issue go away?
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
You don’t hint at your position of weakness either though.
It was a negotiating tactic. I don’t know how you can deny it. If the $2m extra ask didn’t follow, I’d be with you. But it was proof positive.
zeke
Well-known member
Mess is a clown troll.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Of course it was, there's no single reason to this situation, rarely is, it's a culmination of things starting with more autonomy and ending with if you won't give it to me I have to ask for something that you'll reject. In the off chance you'll accept I'll live with it.
In between there's family issues that needed strong consideration. Don't know why this sounds so far fetched, happens all the time, ask divorce lawyers.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Please tell me I'm better at it. I'm feeling vulnerable. Hold me.
JackBurton
Well-known member
I guess. I just don't see the point in putting on an act that much for years. Like who is he and what are his opinions? It gets a little weird.
JackBurton
Well-known member
Maybe it's a hot story like his wife found a lesbian lover because he was always working. And not crew cut and lumberjack shirt lesbian.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
you're just a clown...so breathe easy, my friend
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
TMZ has broken more Leaf news in the last 5 years than the Toronto media as well.
They broke the Auston Matthews mooning incident.
You should see Zeke's schtick on HF for quality trolling.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
I do like a good shtick. It's why zeke and MindzEye don't need water towers.
WP has some good snipes from afar too