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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

MindzEye said:
No, it's definitely a trap.

They can't win and can't detonate. Have to find a way to add now and win now without the assets to do so.
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People are forgetting dubas runs on an enormous non-cap budget. Pitts doesn’t seem like the right fit to let him spend on everything he’ll want
 
Wayward DP said:
it annoys me how much we agree about what happened here but I think this is a good summary based on what we know.
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You don't learn how to piss sometime off in 5 seconds without being a study of the species. Could be wrong sure, don't think I am.
Wayward DP said:
I strongly object the LOF line or thinking that this was all a botched ploy for leverage/money from Dubie. That's inconsistent with pretty much everything we know about the guy and also inconsistent with what folks involved have indicated on record.

now, if Dubie pops up again with the Pens...
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If he pops up with the Pens there was collusion. Won't look good on either.
 
Preston said:
I believed Edna's tweet only because I wanted to believe it. We are due for a new episode. This is like the week in between episodes where you slowly run out of shit to talk about by day 6.
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Kent Hughes is loving this, all eyes on Toronto and he's working in peace.
 
Wayward DP said:
it annoys me how much we agree about what happened here but I think this is a good summary based on what we know.

I strongly object the LOF line or thinking that this was all a botched ploy for leverage/money from Dubie. That's inconsistent with pretty much everything we know about the guy and also inconsistent with what folks involved have indicated on record.

now, if Dubie pops up again with the Pens...
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Super weird that if it's so extreme Kyle's wife is threatening to leave him, that he meets with Shanny, seems pleased to get a contract, expresses to Shanny what Shanny perceives as normal "life in the hot seat of the NHL" pressures and then talks about the team for a few hours? Then still talks to the media the next day? Bizarre decisions.
 
hockeylover said:
Yeah, I had totally missed that he said they had a face to face meeting Wednesday where he got no clarity. Despite previous accusations that Shanahan acted emotionally to the media availability, it doesn't actually seem like he acted rashly at all.

I also think that kinda paints that he went down the road of thinking of specific options as GM and then when Dubas continued to waffle, he went hm, [x name]? or a less than committed Dubas?
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Sunday - face to face meeting, shanny offers contract that he and agent had been discussing for many weeks, kyle seems happy but doesn't say yes, mentions the stress on the family. they continue for a couple hours talking about the team and shanny says theres no need for a presser immediately

Monday - dubas has the presser, says he's not sure he's in

Tuesday - crickets

Wednesday - face to face meeting which left shanny "with more questions than answers", i.e. even worse than the presser.

Thursday - during the day agent sends him much bigger ask than discussed, kyle sends an email at night to say he wants to stay


I definitely don't see anything rash here on shanny's part. I never did.
 
Habsy said:
I don't know your experiences in this and again this is meant with respect due but unless he's an emo snowflake it was something serious from the wife.

I've been up to my eyeballs in work stress, lawsuits etc and nothing affected me like my wife's threats. Nothing.

So maybe I'm drawing on personal experience and recency bias but I've done a heck of a lot of meditation and soul searching on this and I just don't believe it was because of a coup attempt gone badly. You wouldn't even mention your wife and family in that scenario, perhaps one as a parting statement, but not at the level he fell on his sword.

I've been in this situation where kids and money fuck up a lot in a relationship where one spouse is being ignored and I'll fully admit my fault in diving into work to build something for us and not balancing it properly.

I now try to warn workaholics of this.

Sure it's speculating but I've now watched both pressers three times and what I see is Shanahan thinking its all business because he does not know the severity of the cost on Kyle's marriage with everything and why would he know? Its not something you tell your boss, that you're distracted from your job.

Shanahan believed what he said, so did Dubas, what they didn't do was talk about the exact same thing. One was business, the other was both business and personal.

People rely on occams razor but the razor really says to start from the smallest amount of variables and go from there. I did that and the extraneous information given, especially by Kyle, leads me to believe there's more to it.
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Shanahan probably couldn't relate to the thought that Dubas would actually consult his wife before making a decision like this. Shanahan does what Shanahan wants and in his view his job likely comes before family. After all, how did he manage to be married himself? By dicking his teammate's wife behind said teammate's back. Shanahan gives no fucks and his wife knows where she ranks in the power dynamic. She's decided to go along because she likes the lifestyle.

Shanny probably thinks Dubas is a pussy for even asking his wife's opinion about anything. He doesn't give a shit if Kyle doing the job costs him his marriage. He just wants what he wants when he wants it.
 
Wayward DP said:
I strongly object the LOF line or thinking that this was all a botched ploy for leverage/money from Dubie. That's inconsistent with pretty much everything we know about the guy and also inconsistent with what folks involved have indicated on record.

now, if Dubie pops up again with the Pens...
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If it was about his family he wouldn't have came back with the ask he did at the last second after his agent had worked out a deal they had been working with Shanny on for weeks.

if he winds up on in his new team his supporters will then just say he discussed it with his wife/family and they decided it was best for him to work again ''because you know people can change there mind''
 
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hockeylover said:
Super weird that if it's so extreme Kyle's wife is threatening to leave him, that he meets with Shanny, seems pleased to get a contract, expresses to Shanny what Shanny perceives as normal "life in the hot seat of the NHL" pressures and then talks about the team for a few hours? Then still talks to the media the next day? Bizarre decisions.
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I never got the sense from Kyle's presser that his "wife was about to leave him". Thats just people running with a narrative.
 
He approached Dubas in March.

Kyle said he was in. He let his agent talk to Shanny until May about terms.

He approached him after the season ended. Kyle said he was in.

He approached him Sunday in his office with a contract. Kyle said needs to talk to his family.

Why the fuck would Shanny not assume Kyle had a pretty good idea if Kyle's wife was OK with returning anyway? It probably seemed like a formality.
 
Anyways, Kyle's press release confirms shanny's story is true. As i expected.

There's still room to criticize shanny here though - i'm not convinced airing all those details publicly was the right move.
 
I guess in hindsight if he'd said "we're going another direction", we would probably be talking about Dubas actual record/transactions instead.
 
hockeylover said:
He approached Dubas in March.

Kyle said he was in. He let his agent talk to Shanny until May about terms.

He approached him after the season ended. Kyle said he was in.

He approached him Sunday in his office with a contract. Kyle said needs to talk to his family.

Why the fuck would Shanny not assume Kyle had a pretty good idea if Kyle's wife was OK with returning anyway? It probably seemed like a formality.
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Whats interesting is that shanny may have actually had way more doubts after losing in 5 to florida but probably didnt want to be too rash and reverse a decision he had made at the deadline and which was confirmed by the 1st round win. He may not have even been overly convinced by the first round performance either tbh.
 
zeke said:
Anyways, Kyle's press release confirms shanny's story is true. As i expected.

There's still room to criticize shanny here though - i'm not convinced airing all those details publicly was the right move.
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If life was fair, both Dubas and Shanny would have been fired. They are equally responsible for this dumpster fire and they both were given several years worth of rope with which to hang themselves. If either or both of them were ever going to win anything they'd have done it by now. The entire front office needs an enema. The "Shanaplan" was proven over time to be a failure in the games that matter. The fact that he gets to keep trying to pound square pegs into round holes for the foreseeable future is a joke.
 
Shanny felt like Dubas and his agent dicked him around.

Either Dubas has already entertained the idea of working elsewhere (and his agent has talked to other teams) - or he's about to find out how good he had it in Toronto.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Shanahan probably couldn't relate to the thought that Dubas would actually consult his wife before making a decision like this. Shanahan does what Shanahan wants and in his view his job likely comes before family. After all, how did he manage to be married himself? By dicking his teammate's wife behind said teammate's back. Shanahan gives no fucks and his wife knows where she ranks in the power dynamic. She's decided to go along because she likes the lifestyle.

Shanny probably thinks Dubas is a pussy for even asking his wife's opinion about anything. He doesn't give a shit if Kyle doing the job costs him his marriage. He just wants what he wants when he wants it.
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Shanny was/is a piece of shit but the Leafs are a billion dollar plus entity so even if what you say is true why do you think Dubies superiors should give a fuck about his home life? When they pay an employee 7 figures all they care about is how he performs, keeping his wife happy isn't their responsibility.

I'll also say, this doesn't seem that the job took to much of time away from his family but more that he cracked under the pressure and was a bitch to live with.
 
The leafs have a ton of AGMs, and a staff member for everything you can think of. I find it hard to believe he was burning the candle at both ends.

Dubas will find out pretty quick signing elsewhere that there can be a lot more to do in that role.
 
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