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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Shanahan probably couldn't relate to the thought that Dubas would actually consult his wife before making a decision like this. Shanahan does what Shanahan wants and in his view his job likely comes before family. After all, how did he manage to be married himself? By dicking his teammate's wife behind said teammate's back. Shanahan gives no fucks and his wife knows where she ranks in the power dynamic. She's decided to go along because she likes the lifestyle.

Shanny probably thinks Dubas is a pussy for even asking his wife's opinion about anything. He doesn't give a shit if Kyle doing the job costs him his marriage. He just wants what he wants when he wants it.
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Do not ride my posting coattails. You're damaging.
 
worm said:
Yes and no
Fewer direct reports can be easier.
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Who said they all direct report? You should have the same amount of direct reports, just that the departments are bigger. You're still only dealing with the top 1-3 people in each deparment.
 
worm said:
Why leave it all until the last minute (last few months)? The trade deadline was the deciding point?

It makes no sense from either side.

Dubas holding out for more money? Trying to be a UFA gm? Did he feel hurt that Shanny never talked contract before the last few months?

Shanny should have been preparing for life without dubas if it was dubas not wanting to talk contract. Was one playoff round enough to keep him?

I find it all pretty weird.
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Shanahan includes approaching Dubas last offseason and saying they were going to go into the season without a contract. It's in the presser.
 
MindzEye said:
Who said they all direct report? You should have the same amount of direct reports, just that the departments are bigger. You're still only dealing with the top 1-3 people in each deparment.
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Cujo said he had a ton of AGMs. I assume those report to the GM. No clue the actual structure.
 
worm said:
Cujo said he had a ton of AGMs. I assume those report to the GM. No clue the actual structure.
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4 AGM's, but they all handle different things. I keep seeing people say 5, but I think they were counting Spezza who was the assistant to the GM, which is different. Or they're counting Morrison, who is actually Director of Player Personnel

Pridham - AGM & right hand man
Wickenheiser - AGM, player development
Ryan Hardy - AGM, Marlies & Growler stuff
Daryl Metcalf - AGM, king of the nerds

Each of the above has directors, ass directors, etc. Throw in scouting and coaching (who again would also have 1-2 people in each department that actually direct report to a GM) and that's the org. Anything not directly hockey related (finance, HR, etc, etc) would have direct reports that would have gone to Shanny, not Kyle.
 
hockeylover said:
Super weird that if it's so extreme Kyle's wife is threatening to leave him, that he meets with Shanny, seems pleased to get a contract, expresses to Shanny what Shanny perceives as normal "life in the hot seat of the NHL" pressures and then talks about the team for a few hours? Then still talks to the media the next day? Bizarre decisions.
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I can only speak for myself, but when I was in private practice, I never, ever, ever let on to my boss (who I was quite close with) the impact that the job was having on my relationship (and the impact was extremely pronounced and negative). Just kinda bottle those feelings up when you get to the workplace and deal with it later. For a variety of reasons, one of which was that I was fearful of making that type of disclosure.

I.e. continue pretending everything is totally normal until you cannot any longer. The cannot any longer occurred during CJ's question.
 
hockeylover said:
Super weird that if it's so extreme Kyle's wife is threatening to leave him, that he meets with Shanny, seems pleased to get a contract, expresses to Shanny what Shanny perceives as normal "life in the hot seat of the NHL" pressures and then talks about the team for a few hours? Then still talks to the media the next day? Bizarre decisions.
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Because nobody in the history of the planet has ever gone home with what they thought was great news only to then receive both barrels. A blindside would make you shaky like he was but yeah. The wife is this meek little follower that agrees with everything Kyle does and loves to do? How do we know he didn't only consult her after that meeting with Shanny?

I'm viewing his wife as having the pants or at least wearing them with him. I don't see her as submissive.
 
Wayward DP said:
I can only speak for myself, but when I was in private practice, I never, ever, ever let on to my boss (who I was quite close with) the impact that the job was having on my relationship (and the impact was extremely pronounced and negative). Just kinda bottle those feelings up when you get to the workplace and deal with it later. For a variety of reasons, one of which was that I was fearful of making that type of disclosure.

I.e. continue pretending everything is totally normal until you cannot any longer. The cannot any longer occurred during CJ's question.
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That all makes sense but I mostly question the judgment in not realizing "hey do you want to be GM?" might come up at your availability I guess.

It kinda sounds like Shanahan sensed that it might put him in a tricky spot doing the media.
 
Wayward DP said:
I can only speak for myself, but when I was in private practice, I never, ever, ever let on to my boss (who I was quite close with) the impact that the job was having on my relationship (and the impact was extremely pronounced and negative). Just kinda bottle those feelings up when you get to the workplace and deal with it later. For a variety of reasons, one of which was that I was fearful of making that type of disclosure.

I.e. continue pretending everything is totally normal until you cannot any longer. The cannot any longer occurred during CJ's question.
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I would fire people for it. People know this of their bosses.
 
hockeylover said:
That all makes sense but I mostly question the judgment in not realizing "hey do you want to be GM?" might come up at your availability I guess.

It kinda sounds like Shanahan sensed that it might put him in a tricky spot doing the media.
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this may sound silly but its possible he never even considered the question seriously until then. internally at least. i.e. he just assumed it was the goal and the dream and he was committed to seeing the job through till the end.

but yeah, I don't think we're going to find logical explanations for a whole bunch of the decisions/actions in this process. particularly on the Dubie end.
 
MindzEye said:
4 AGM's, but they all handle different things. I keep seeing people say 5, but I think they were counting Spezza who was the assistant to the GM, which is different. Or they're counting Morrison, who is actually Director of Player Personnel

Pridham - AGM & right hand man
Wickenheiser - AGM, player development
Ryan Hardy - AGM, Marlies & Growler stuff
Daryl Metcalf - AGM, king of the nerds

Each of the above has directors, ass directors, etc. Throw in scouting and coaching (who again would also have 1-2 people in each department that actually direct report to a GM) and that's the org. Anything not directly hockey related (finance, HR, etc, etc) would have direct reports that would have gone to Shanny, not Kyle.
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Spezza aka Dwight.

So probably a pretty standard org structure. Not sure the work level would change much with a new team.
 
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