The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

[Artnes]

Can’t pay a shitty backup that will 100% get hurt $5 mill. Dumping that contract and signing Sammy for less is a key of the off-season.

Do you gamble on the cap jumping enough to eat the hit in 24/25?

Cap Hit Calculations​

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT (TOR)	CAP HIT (OTT)
2023-24	$8,000,000	$6,250,000	$0	$2,666,667	$2,666,667	$5,333,333	$687,500	$229,167
2024-25	$0	$0	$0	$2,666,667	$2,666,667	-$2,666,667	$2,000,000	$666,667
TOTAL	$8,000,000	$6,250,000	$0	$5,333,333	$5,333,333	$2,666,667	$2,687,500 (75%)	$895,834 (25%)

 

[Wayward DP]

I'd do what I can to avoid dead money on the cap myself

 

[CH1]

Just wait a month until he gets hurt again

 

[thehabhater]

oilers loss hit the whole country very, very, very hard. took away so much of their ability to mock the leafs when the two guys they say are way better than the leafs guys, and on better contracts, flop as well.

witness WeHave's meltdown here.

Fact: Every year, only one team wins the cup.
Fact: Every year, only 16 teams make the playoffs.
Fact: Every year, only one team wins the draft lottery.

And some teams, go 0-3

 

[leafman101]

how much less than Murray's $4.6m is Sammy going to sign for tho? and do we retain any on murray? and how much confidence do we have in sammy really?

and if we can get assets for Sammy, while not giving up any assets to dump Murray, then we could come out a good chunk ahead.

and it would be an encouraging statement of our belief in Woll and Hildeby.

ideally $1.6-$2 mill.

sign Sammy for 1-2 years.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

how much less than Murray's $4.6m is Sammy going to sign for tho? and do we retain any on murray? and how much confidence do we have in sammy really?

and if we can get assets for Sammy, while not giving up any assets to dump Murray, then we could come out a good chunk ahead.

and it would be an encouraging statement of our belief in Woll and Hildeby.

Sammy might be the only real goalie option we have in the organization.

I like what I've seen from Woll, but let's be realistic about things. He's barely played.

 

[Cojo]

how much less than Murray's $4.6m is Sammy going to sign for tho? and do we retain any on murray? and how much confidence do we have in sammy really?

and if we can get assets for Sammy, while not giving up any assets to dump Murray, then we could come out a good chunk ahead.

and it would be an encouraging statement of our belief in Woll and Hildeby.

Clearly Sammy is looking to get paid, but his playoff stats have to factor in here somewhere? No?

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Sammy's contract demands will be within reason. RFA status all but assures that.

 

[axlsalinger]

 

[zeke]

But Woll was clearly better than Sammy this year, regular season and playoffs, stats and eyetest.

He's 25 next year. Time to play him.

and Hildeby is likely even better.

 

[zeke]

Clearly Sammy is looking to get paid, but his playoff stats have to factor in here somewhere? No?

i mean i can find comparables for him for probably anywhere between 3.5-5.0.

 

[MindzEye]

Yeah, can't trust Murray to stay healthy and that's like 80% of a backup/1B's job is just being avaibable

 

[MindzEye]

But Woll was clearly better than Sammy this year, regular season and playoffs, stats and eyetest.

He's 25 next year. Time to play him.

and Hildeby is likely even better.

Sure, but then just go 2 yrs on Sammy (something like 2/7 probably gets that done)....or just QO him and make him do it again on the cheap while competing for starts with Woll. Deal with Sammy's UFA status next summer if he does it again and out competes Woll.

Need 2 goalies anyway imo.

 

[MindzEye]

Actually, Sammy is arby eligible so it's not a QO situation.

 

[zeke]

or we trade them both and sign a Reimer or Raanta or Talbot or something as a backup/tandem guy.

 

[MindzEye]

Do you gamble on the cap jumping enough to eat the hit in 24/25?

Cap Hit Calculations​

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT (TOR)	CAP HIT (OTT)
2023-24	$8,000,000	$6,250,000	$0	$2,666,667	$2,666,667	$5,333,333	$687,500	$229,167
2024-25	$0	$0	$0	$2,666,667	$2,666,667	-$2,666,667	$2,000,000	$666,667
TOTAL	$8,000,000	$6,250,000	$0	$5,333,333	$5,333,333	$2,666,667	$2,687,500 (75%)	$895,834 (25%)

That's the question really. Do you eat 50% on one year to move him, or live with a slightly higher cap hit arranged differently over 2 years.

 

[leafman101]

Sammy is an RFA. He has to sign a cheap one year deal at the minimum. Give him a $1 mill raise, and he gets a great opportunity to play for a huge UFA deal. Shouldn't be a difficult resign. He was a top 10 starter this year. Murray is shit and expensive.

Our goalie situation seems pretty strong with Sammy/Woll. I wouldn't overthink it.

 

[Habsy]

I'd do what I can to avoid dead money on the cap myself

Alzner. Karl Alzner. Still on our books. This is the last season of it but man does it linger like a fart in an all you can eat Mexican buffet.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

But Woll was clearly better than Sammy this year, regular season and playoffs, stats and eyetest.

He's 25 next year. Time to play him.

and Hildeby is likely even better.

I guess now sample doesn't matter.

I want Woll in, but not with Murray as his partner.

Woll and Sammy is the way to go.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

or we trade them both and sign a Reimer or Raanta or Talbot or something as a backup/tandem guy.

Why would we do that rather than stick with Sammy?