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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Or a brilliant negotiation tactic… he basically said I don’t really need this gig… so convince me
 
CH1 said:
Or a brilliant negotiation tactic… he basically said I don’t really need this gig… so convince me
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Only brilliant if the org doesn't look at him and say....nah, let's convince someone who might win more than a single round in 5 yrs

I mean, he's not in a strong position from a job security standpoint imo, even if the org still thinks he's worth giving another chance to
 
He made me very sad and yeah, it showed that he mentally crumbled. And his personnel decisions as they progressed kind of back that up. He let the pressure and the prior results shape his decisions even if they were completely opposed to his prior views on team building. It made me feel horrible for him but it also made me feel much better about moving on from him. He'll be better for it and potentially so will the Leafs.
 
Thanks to Dubas' cap management, the leafs have a real opportunity to make some real upgrades without touching our core, at a time when the cap should start rocketing up even more going forward giving us even more flexibility.

Love Dubas for that, but it's also the perfect time to get a fresh set of eyes to potentially make use of that flexibility.

Just a reminder of how much flexibility we have, here's how our roster looks just making some of the easier/obvious moves - i.e. dump Murray, re-up RFAs Samsonov and Holmberg, and maybe re-sign vets like Acciari, Kampf, Schenn for similar prices (or find similar replacements for that cost):

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we have enough cap room to comfortably add another top tier stud or two very good players.
 
I hate to nitpick shit like this, but the fact that he's constantly liking tons of different shit on twitter is kind of a bad sign to me. I don't care how mentally strong you are, a GM in this fishbowl should not be scrolling twitter daily.
 
zeke said:
Thanks to Dubas' cap management, the leafs have a real opportunity to make some real upgrades without touching our core, at a time when the cap should start rocketing up even more going forward giving us even more flexibility.

Love Dubas for that, but it's also the perfect time to get a fresh set of eyes to potentially make use of that flexibility.

Just a reminder of how much flexibility we have, here's how our roster looks just making some of the easier/obvious moves - i.e. dump Murray, re-up RFAs Samsonov and Holmberg, and maybe re-sign vets like Acciari, Kampf, Schenn for similar prices (or find similar replacements for that cost):

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we have enough cap room to comfortably add another top tier stud or two very good players.
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Which is another reason you don’t touch Tavares and just add, add, add.
 
Preston said:
He made me very sad and yeah, it showed that he mentally crumbled. And his personnel decisions as they progressed kind of back that up. He let the pressure and the prior results shape his decisions even if they were completely opposed to his prior views on team building. It made me feel horrible for him but it also made me feel much better about moving on from him. He'll be better for it and potentially so will the Leafs.
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Going to be interesting on the leaks that came from the alleged rift between him and Shanny and how much influence that had on straying from the process they both sold everyone
 
I honestly get the sense that Kyle has had full autonomy and part of the reason he has been so emotionally beat down is that this was his team with all decisions that HE made. If he was pressured to do things that don't fit his viewpoint I would imagine he'd feel like he had less to "prove" to upper management. He may have more of a "you should have trusted my vision" attitude I suspect.

But maybe we'll find out otherwise.
 
Artnes said:
Going to be interesting on the leaks that came from the alleged rift between him and Shanny and how much influence that had on straying from the process they both sold everyone
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Until proven otherwise, I'm firmly in the Shanny = stay the course & Dubas = either blinked or sold a bill of goods.


Keefe is kind of the dead giveaway here. That's the Nerd's guy, not Shanny's and Keefe loves low event plugger hockey. I know most coaches are like this, but when you're allegedly this forward looking cutting edge exec, you don't live and die with a coach who gets erections from the type of hockey you came into the job railing against.
 
as a rule i never get attached to GMs and coaches. they're not rare like elite athletic talent is rare. there's a shit tonne of people who can do those jobs well.

i generally trust the way MLSE operates nowadays and doubt that they would go backwards to an old school way of doing things. I'd actually wager they'd come up with someone even more committed to and/or experienced in analytics.
 
zeke said:
Thanks to Dubas' cap management, the leafs have a real opportunity to make some real upgrades without touching our core, at a time when the cap should start rocketing up even more going forward giving us even more flexibility.

Love Dubas for that, but it's also the perfect time to get a fresh set of eyes to potentially make use of that flexibility.

Just a reminder of how much flexibility we have, here's how our roster looks just making some of the easier/obvious moves - i.e. dump Murray, re-up RFAs Samsonov and Holmberg, and maybe re-sign vets like Acciari, Kampf, Schenn for similar prices (or find similar replacements for that cost):

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we have enough cap room to comfortably add another top tier stud or two very good players.
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Yeah Dubas’ cap management is prolly the most impressive part of his tenure here.

I’m worried that the next guy will fuck it up real quick.
 
zeke said:
as a rule i never get attached to GMs and coaches. they're not rare like elite athletic talent is rare. there's a shit tonne of people who can do those jobs well.

i generally trust the way MLSE operates nowadays and doubt that they would go backwards to an old school way of doing things. I'd actually wager they'd come up with someone even more committed to and/or experienced in analytics.
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I hope you’re right. The unknown can be scary.
 
Blueman said:
drafting on point, would hate to lose that..
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Is it though?

It hasn't been bad...but I don't know if I would characterize it as so good that I'm worried about losing it

2015: If you want to give credit for Marner, sure. I think Hunter deserves a lot of the Marner credit personally. After that though, the trade down out of the Konecny spot has aged poorly (Dermott + Bracco) despite it being the value play...especially when you see Aho drafted immediately after Dermott, Carlo & Cernak shortly after that. Timashov is the only other guy who got any NHL games from that draft year. Basically, we generated minimal value outside of the #4 overall pick...fuck, I've been making fun of the Oilers for that kind of drafting for over a decade.

2016: Matthews was a no brainer. After that though, Korschov was a pretty significant swing and miss on a weirdo off the board overage Russian prospect when Kyrou, Debrincat, Girard, Hart, Lindgren, Hronek and a handful of other less good but useful players were on the board and taken shortly after. Grundstrom helps salvage this draft, but he's a 4th liner...not great value with a 2nd rounder, but not turrible. At least we got decent value for him in trade. Woll might salvage this draft because goalies are weird but that's probably what the rest of this draft hinges on imo. If he flops, this is a bit of a bust of a draft for me

2017: Widely regarded as Hunter's draft. Lilly at the 17 is nice value despite our coach, you know, not playing him and shit. The rest of the draft is pure garbage. Every other prospect was DOA within like, 12 months.

2018: Okay, this is much better. Sandin at the 28 is a really good pick, regardless of us fucking him about and eventually trading him for 50 cents on the dollar. Durzi is great value out of the 2nd round. Holmberg sure looks like a real NHL body out of the 6th round. This is the kind of results that I would be concerned about losing, but we've only seen it in 1 of 4 years to this point.

2019: Robertson I still love as a draft pick and was a spectacular get in the 2nd round. Type of prospect that changes how your development system looks really quickly...but yeah, stop dying on the ice kid. Abruzz is making enough noise in the AHL that maybe there is something there, but I'm a hard meh on him.

20-22: I like a lot of these prospects. Knies obviously looks like fantastic value in the 2nd round. I'm still very high on Niemela (moreso since he's transitioned pretty seemlessly to the AHL at the end of this year...looks very good) with a bunch more that I like quite a bit (Minten, Voit, Villeneuve, Hildeby, Moldy). It seems like he's done well considering the 1sts he's traded (also Amirov...hard to scout for cancer ffs). But I don't know if I would call this irreplaceable at all.

Overall, we just haven't received a lot of value from the draft outside of our high 1sts. Some of that is the organization scoring own goals with Lilly & Sandin. Some of it is them swinging and missing hard trying to be the smartest organization in the room (remember the Korschkov draft where we were assured that the overage picks were undervalued?lol)
 
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