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The New Division

PlayerToBeNamedLater said:
Jake Gardiner is properly rated.

He's a former 1st round pick, who has performed well in a top 4 role, who has top 2 potential.
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You mean the same Jake Gardiner that was healthy enough to play 43 games last year for the Marlies, but couldn't knock "All-Stars" like Frazer, Holzner and Kostka out of a spot on the Leafs porous blueline? That Jake Gardiner?
 
SENSible said:
You mean the same Jake Gardiner that was healthy enough to play 43 games last year for the Marlies, but couldn't knock "All-Stars" like Frazer, Holzner and Kostka out of a spot on the Leafs porous blueline? That Jake Gardiner?
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The Jake Gardiner who was the best dmen on the ice for either team against the Cup finalists.

That Jake Gardiner.
 
SENSible said:
You mean the same Jake Gardiner that was healthy enough to play 43 games last year for the Marlies, but couldn't knock "All-Stars" like Frazer, Holzner and Kostka out of a spot on the Leafs porous blueline? That Jake Gardiner?
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You're aware that most of those AHL games happened in the first half of the season, right? That he was concussed roughly around the start of the shortened NHL season, right?
 
Gardiner, 22 yrs old, NHL Career:

Reg Sea: 87 gms, 7 gls, 34 pts, 21:26 (82 gms, 7 gls, 32 pts)
Playoffs: 6 gms, 1 gls, 5 pts, 23:01 (82 gms, 14 gls, 68 pts)
 
SENSible said:
I cited a bigger sample size.

43 games IN THE AHL...playing behind superstars like Frazer, Kostka and Holzner.
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You don't know what you're talking about.

A large portion of those games were played during the lockout.

He was hurt just before the start of the NHL season. That hurt his chances greatly of getting back into the Leafs lineup, especially considering the Leafs were playing well and they didn't want to make changes.
 
SENSible said:
I cited a bigger sample size.

43 games IN THE AHL...playing behind superstars like Frazer, Kostka and Holzner.
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Idiot.

43 games in the AHL, the majority of them spent playing 30 minutes a game, ahead of those guys you just named, prior to the end of the lockout.

How in the **** do you people expect to be taken as anything other than trolls when your arguments are ridden with factual errors?
 
theREALkoreaboy said:
You're drunk or on meds this morning. Outside of dawg, who was overhyped by the entire hockey world as a possible generational talent, not a single one of those players was massively overhyped.

Patrick eaves was never seen by us as anything other than a nice third liner, and possible second liner
Jim obrien? Seriously? Who has overhyped him? Show me. F*ck off.
Chouinard! My god. He was a laughingstock. Like the GM who picked him twice was.
Lajeunesse? A nothing prospect, never highly thought of by our fanbase. Never.
Rachunek? When he was playing well as a good top-4 D we all liked him. Nothing more. No one ever said Norris. Ever.
Prusek? Maybe the closest thing to proving your point. I never really was sold on him, but some of our press and fans thought too much of him.

Your list is ridiculous.
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Kaigorodov? I remember when Rundblad >>>>>>>> every one of our prospects too.
 
MindzEye said:
Gardiner was concussed on December 9th and the team brought him back slowly.

You're always aware that 31 of 43 would accurately, constitute "most", right?
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He played 20 games in the AHL after the start of the NHL season.

If he was healthy enough to play in the AHL, he was healthy enough to play in the NHL. The Leafs didn't think he was good enough.
 
As soon as he was healthy, they put him right into the NHL lineup on Jan 23. He played a couple games, but he was step behind, so they sent him back to the Marlies to get back into game shape.

He stayed with Marlies in Feb and parts of March, before being called up, and he played with the Leafs in March, April and the Playoffs.
 
SENSible said:
He played 20 games in the AHL after the start of the NHL season.

If he was healthy enough to play in the AHL, he was healthy enough to play in the NHL. The Leafs didn't think he was good enough.
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This is going to look really silly by December, as silly as your call on Kadri last summer. Remember that? Good times.

Do me a favour and talk shit about Morgan Rielly now.
 
Lets disregard his rookie season and the playoffs.

Lets focus on the part of his career where he was injured/concussed. That will tell us what kind of player he is!
 
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