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Ah. The racist card. Nice.

WHY was he the best D man last season? By virtually all metrics, he wasn't.

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We've covered this. He wasn't. He won an award voted on by the same media members that we constantly deride.
No, you covered it.

I thought he was the best dman in the league last year long before the Norris was awarded. The voters happened to agree with me.

If you are going to argue that the voters are idiots and shouldn't be taken seriously that's fine... doesn't change the fact that I felt he was the best dman in the league last year. You also cannot ever point to any award as proof of a players' performance again.
 
No, you covered it.

I thought he was the best dman in the league last year long before the Norris was awarded. The voters happened to agree with me.

If you are going to argue that the voters are idiots and shouldn't be taken seriously that's fine... doesn't change the fact that I felt he was the best dman in the league last year. You also cannot ever point to any award as proof of a players' performance again.

Their metrics don't show one aspect of the game... showmanship. It is entertainment after all. People love watching Subban because they either love the guy or hate his guts. It's awesome.
 
Really? That's all they have? Why does he train outside? It was a photo shoot you ****ing tards.

Doesn't deserve the Vezina because he is prolific on the PP? Really? Douchetards.

When Subban lays out little Karl I'll smile. That is if Little Karl doesn't pull up which is his signature bitch move.
I really don't care about him working out outside. I was just giving him shit for the sake of it there. But to be clear, I don't think it was a photoshoot. I think it was a "candid" moment.

And again, Subban wasn't even the best offensive defenseman last season. PP or not. Letang had a higher pace (and more than enough games) than Subban. This is why we are asking you to provide some sort of justification for Subban's Norris. Which, to date, no Habs fan has been able to do.

Karlsson pulling up? Wha?
 
1) It was a photo shoot. There are multiple picture of extreme quality available.

2) Karlsson pulls up EVERY time a defender is coming at him. He's a pussy. Who knows, maybe now that he is so "swole" he'll grow a pair.
 
No, you covered it.

I thought he was the best dman in the league last year long before the Norris was awarded. The voters happened to agree with me.

If you are going to argue that the voters are idiots and shouldn't be taken seriously that's fine... doesn't change the fact that I felt he was the best dman in the league last year. You also cannot ever point to any award as proof of a players' performance again.
WHY though. That's what we're asking you to establish.
 
And Letang plays with Crosby, Malkin, Neal etc. Factors that are considered. Not by you guys of course.
 
1) It was a photo shoot. There are multiple picture of extreme quality available.

2) Karlsson pulls up EVERY time a defender is coming at him. He's a pussy. Who knows, maybe now that he is so "swole" he'll grow a pair.
Defensemen virtually never get a chance to be hit by other defensemen. What the hell are you talking about.

And if you feel that he does that particular move EVERY time then it should be easy to find evidence of what you are talking about, right?
 
No, you covered it.

Uncontested by any real counter argument, typically means that it's been covered.

I thought he was the best dman in the league last year long before the Norris was awarded.

Which has nothing to do with the jersey he wears, I'm sure.

The voters happened to agree with me.

Congratulations. They were wrong too. Happens in the annual awards all the time.


If you are going to argue that the voters are idiots and shouldn't be taken seriously that's fine

That's my argument in this case, yes.

... doesn't change the fact that I felt he was the best dman in the league last year.

If he played for San Jose, you simply wouldn't feel the same.

You also cannot ever point to any award as proof of a players' performance again.

Even the Art Ross, or Richard? Stop being silly.
 
And Letang plays with Crosby, Malkin, Neal etc. Factors that are considered. Not by you guys of course.
The Habs are a top-5 offense - constantly buoyed by one of the best PP defensive point producers in the league (Markov). It's no surprise that Subban was able to pile on the PP points (which totaled nearly 70% of his total production).
 
Haters gonna hate.

It's not hate at all.

I care about what Leaf and Sens fan decide through Corsi? Ah nope.

You guys are hilarious. Corsi is the one advanced stat that actually supports your claim here and you idiots continue to shit on it.

Here's the kicker though, you guys should care. You get to pound your chest about PK winning the Norris, PK gets to pound his chest in contract negotiations about winning a Norris trophy, you guys get to pay him more than he's worth because he won a Norris that he shouldn't have. Congratulations.
 
You would if someone paid you to take pictures of it. Hell you'd do it if the photographer was some hot latina.

Check your bifocals old man, I do them now, in the parking lot, of my gym...without anyone paying or hot latinas involved.

I wasn't criticizing him for that at all, it's ridiculously common. Sensitive bitches.
 
Holy crap, just realized that Alfredsson signing with Detroit still has him in the division.

Now he'll be booed by even more teams.
 
Not sure why I'm going to bother with this, but whatever...

Karlsson's "1" elite season saw him win the Norris, scoring 78 points (79 point pace). Kessel, as a forward, just barely edged him out at PPG. Good for him.

Yep, Karlsson had a lovely season offensively.

Karlsson's follow up season saw him put up 6gls/10pts in 14 (13 really, because of the accident). That puts him at a 35gl/59pt pace. Add in the Sens #1 centre who they lost at the 5 game mark and I feel confident that Karlsson would have put up an extra few points and be right up at his 2011-2012 pace.

Your confidence notwithstanding, the facts are the facts. At the time of his injury, he was short of a PPG pace.

But wait a second, where was Kessel at the 14 game mark last season? 2gls/9pts for a 12gl/53pt pace. Hmm. Not all that elite at all. If he was the one to get severely injured would you have said that he wasn't going to have as good of a season anyways? Or would you comment on how he's been snake bitten, ect. I would wager you'd be in the later category.

I would absolutely admit that there were question marks surrounding his elite status if that had occurred. Don't lump me in with your hopeful shite just because it makes you feel better to assume that I would think the same as you.

Even funnier is that when Karlsson did turn super human and come back from injury, he ended up scoring at a 76 point pace...very similar to his 2011-2012 season...and all on one achilles. Of course, anyone watching would be able to see that he was physically limited, his ability to put up points is still best in the league.

Well, sort of. Letang was PPG+ this season.

Hell, his pace in the playoffs alone was 66pts compared to Kessel's 70pts. As a defenseman...with one leg.

All points are created equal now? Goals against Boston >> Assists against Montreal

You're hopes that he's going to turn into a shell of his former Norris self seem unfounded - and your suggestion that GM's would take Kessel above him is beyond laughable.

Call me when he repeats his Norris season, until then you've got wishful thinking.
 
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