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Habspatrol said:
So you're pretty content with Kessel being rated the 20th best forward, Phaneuf the 17th dest dman and Reimer as the 17th best goalie?
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The only one I have a real problem with is Phaneuf.

Given that Kessel's a winger and not a center, I'd have a hard time putting him much higher on that list. Kessel is probably a top-5 winger, but IMO that only makes him a top-20 forward. The only guys ranked ahead of him that really don't ring true at all are Couture and Parise, IMO. I'd have him ahead of Hossa too but it's close enough not to matter too much. There's also guys behind him like Staal, Spezza, Hall who I might even rank ahead of him, so that balances out too. I might put him closer to 15 than 20, but nothing too crazy there.

Reimer gets deservedly dinged for his lack of track record and down year. Even though he's finished top-10 twice in his first 3yrs, his 2yr, 3yrand career stats both justify a middling ranking like that for now. The only guy who is way out of place on that list IMO is Fasth.

Last 3yrs:

1. Schneider 88gms, .931
2. Thomas 116gms, .930
3. Lundqvist 173gms, .926
4. Rask 88gms, .925
5. Rinne 180gms, .923
6. Holtby 57gms, .923
7. Luongo 135gms, .922
8. Fasth 25gms, .921
9. Vokoun 125gms, .920
10. Smith 123gms, .920
11. Niemi 171gms, .919
12. Quick 167gms, .919
13. Ward 159gms, .918
14. Anderson 138gms, .918
15. Price 176gms, .917
16. Lehtonen 164gms, .917
17. Bobrovsky 121gms, .917
18. Dubnyk 120gms, .917
19. Miller 167gms, .916
20. Fleury 165gms, .916
21. Howard 162gms, .916
22. Hiller 148gms, .915
23. Backstorm 139gms, .915
24. Halak 119gms, .915
25. Reimer 104gms, .915

Career:

1. Rask 138gms, .927sv%
2. Schneider 98gms, .927
3. Holtby 57gms, .923
4. Thomas 378gms, .921
5. Fasth 25gms, .921
6. Lundqvist 511gms, .920
7. Luongo 747gms, .919
8. Rinne 293gms, .919
9. Howard 234gms, .918
10. Vokoun 700gms, .917
11. Backstrom 369gms, .917
12. Hiller 276gms, .917
13. Halak 220gms, .917
14. Niemi 213gms, .917
15. Bobrovsky 121gms, .917
16. Miller 500gms, .915
17. Anderson 318gms, .915
18. Price 310gms, .915
19. Quick 286gms, .915
20. Reimer 104gms, .915



Phaneuf is legitimately too low, though.....but even then we're talking about 5-10 spots only. His recent track record doesn't quite justify a top-5 ranking, though it definitely should put him round about 10th or so, give or take a few spots.
 
Habspatrol said:
So you're pretty content with Kessel being rated the 20th best forward, Phaneuf the 17th dest dman and Reimer as the 17th best goalie?
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They are all within a debatable range. Whether I think Phaneuf should be 9th or 17th, or Kessel 13th instead of 20th, at least we're in the same stratosphere.

I think Lupul is too low, but I get that he gets dinged because of all the injuries.
 
zeke said:
Reimer gets deservedly dinged for his lack of track record and down year. Even though he's finished top-10 twice in his first 3yrs, his 2yr, 3yrand career stats both justify a middling ranking like that for now. The only guy who is way out of place on that list IMO is Fasth.
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Bobrovsky and Price are way too high and Holtby is way too low. Holtby will end up the starting goalie in Sochi.
 
Top 20 Overall:

1. Crosby
2. Malkin
3. Toews
4. Datsyuk
5. Stamkos
6. Chara
7. Suter
8. Lundqvist
9. Quick
10. Tavares
11. Weber
12. Ovechkin
13. Rask
14. Keith
15. Bergeron
15. Karlsson
17. Kane
18. Subban
19. Doughty
20. Giroux
20. Zetterberg
20. Bobrovski
 
you make that list up off the top of your head?


Here's NHL.com's top-200 fantasy players, for a less subjective list:

12. E.Karlsson
13. P.Subban
15. T.Rask
16. P.Kessel
31. J.Spezza
34. B.Ryan
43. C.Price
47. M.Pacioretty
53. C.Anderson
58. J.Lupul
59. P.Bergeron
65. N.Kadri
70. L.Eriksson
73. J.Iginla
77. B.Marchand
82. Z.Chara
83. J.VanRiemsdyk
87. D.Phaneuf
97. D.Krejci
102. M.Lucic
116. J.Reimer
118. T.Plekanec
130. K.Turris
136. D.Clarkson
141. A.Markov
143. A.Galchenyuk
150. J.Bernier
156. M.Michalek
157. B.Gallagher
173. T.Bozak
174. C.Franson
180. D.Desharnais
199. P.Wiercioch


TOR (10): 6 forwards, 2 defensemen, 2 goalies (top-100 (5): 4 forwards, 1 defensemen, 0 goalies)
BOS (8): 6 forwards, 1 defenseman, 1 goalies (top-100 (7): 5 forwards, 1 defensemen, 1 goalies)
MTL (8): 5 forwards, 2 defensmeen, 1 goalies (top-100 (3): 1 forwards, 1 defensemen, 1 goalies)
OTT (7): 4 forwards, 2 defensemen, 1 goalies (top-100 (4): 2 forwards, 1 defensemen, 1 goalies)
 
Sun Media Top-50:

9. Chara
15. Bergeron
21. Karlsson
26. Subban
35. Rask
37. Kessel
38. Spezza
48. Lupul
 
I love how you guys always wait extra long to start the game day thread when you play Ottawa.

It really proves how little the games mean to you.
 
The best is that Dallas Eakins was only ranked 1 spot below Carlyle even though he hasn't coached a single shift at the NHL level.
 
Bylsma top 5... he has won 1 cup in 5 years with a absolutly stacked roster as well as starting the flower ahead of Vokoun. Decent coach but not a top 5 coach IMO
 
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