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boo to the dolphins lol
damn those dolphins in the 1970s they beat my team and my team is 0-20 against you guys in the 70s can you guess who my team is lol
 
Im a dolphin fan too LeafNation.....cheers to being headed in the right direction

It all starts at the draft table my man. Everyone talks about Jake Long the #1 pick, and the good camp Chad Henne has had. As well as the 6th round sensation Donald Thomas...

But my God what about Langford and Merling. These guys have been total beasts out there on the field... Langford, who has already won the starting DE job, has a perfect body for a 3-4 end. The guy has been immovable. As well as Merling. I have been very impressed with Merling's motor. The guy has played with tremendous emotion and attitude out there- something GREATLY missing last season. And of course, he has played extremely well.. These guys don't look like rookies, they look like seasoned vets causing havoc out there on the D-line.

Here's a couple write ups on these two, who I am really high on.. Langford ,the last paragraph there has been true thus far in camp and in pre-games- with the exception of the hands label.. He has been using his hands extremely well. He has been Very impressive.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/kendall_langford.htm

Langford will be a hotly sought after prospect in the 2008 NFL Draft because his size, athletic ability and versatility. He could bulk up a little and play defensive tackle, similar to how the Rams are using 2007 first round NFL Draft pick Adam Carricker, who has almost identical size. He could of course be played at his natural defensive end position, but I wouldn’t completely rule out the possibility of him trimming down and playing outside linebacker for a team utilizing the 34 defense. The Cowboys’ Greg Ellis made a similar transaction.

No matter how or where he is played, he has immense NFL potential. Langford is very aggressive; he will never be labeled as a pile inspector. He plays football with a very high motor and when you see him move you would never believe he is only a biscuit away from 300 pounds. He has quick feet like a linebacker, plays with his head up and quickly finds the ball and diagnosis the play

And Merling- ( this is just a board where people follow the draft, but you can see the comparisons people have thrown.. I wouldn't post it if he didn't show such ability in camp)

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=187642&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

A small college video of Merling. You can see why they have tried him out at OLB in the 3-4, he has good agility for his size at 6'5 280. Actually he played quite a bit at OLB the other night vs KC, and played very well there. Stuffing Larry Johnson for a loss on the goal line as one of his good plays

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0tBbjSXMYQ

No more quick fixes by giving up valuable 2nd round picks for older vets like we have done for YEARS (let Snider in Washington continue to go that route as he has done for years- it NEVER got him anywhere).... All that did was make our team older, and not better.. And the drafting since 2000 with the few picks we did have has sucked.. All of that heartache is over now... Now, we have a regime who knows how to draft.. And we have a regime that trades AWAY older vets on the decline for valuable draft picks.. PERFECT.. It's the total opposite of the stupidity that went on before.

Add another draft next year with the way this regime picks, and this team will be back in business. Bringing back the glory !Cheers :cheers2:

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You also omitted to mention Reggie Bush.

You have to be kidding me.. Bush is a little one dimensional back who averaged a measly 3.6 yards per carry last season, and hasn't even eclipsed 600 yards rushing in a season in his 2 years..

By contrast, Ronnie Brown had more rushing yards than he did last year in just 6 and a half games played (before he got injured).. And he averaged more than 5 yards per carry with a sub-par line (Bush clearly had a better line blocking for him last season)..

Now Bush is a good receiver out of the backfield.. But come on, as a running back ? He can't even run between the tackles.. Small backs like M. Faulk and B Sanders were able to run between the tackles consistently.

I think it is extremely premature (and ridiculous) to call Reggie Bush one of the greatest backs ever.. Heck, he has been a disappointment considering where he was picked.
 
You know what, as far as smaller backs are concerned, Maurice Jones-Drew has shown a lot more than Reggie Bush has running the ball in their 2 seasons in the league.. The guy runs between the tackles and has shown to be more of a capable every down back than Bush has..

Maurice Jones-Drew has averaged over 5 yards per carry (and over 1700 yards in 2 seasons) -- because he is better at running inside. And the guy is only 5'7 and about the same weight as Bush.

Bush is a situational 3rd down back type of player.. Not an every down back... Just look at the yards per carry averages of the backs in this league.. I don't think Bush is even in the top 20 backs in the NFL in that regard.. Hell, even his teammate Deuce McAllister has averaged more than Bush has, and they run behind the same line.. What does that tell you ?
 
Nation...what are your thoughts on our wide outs?...outside of Ginn im unimpressed.....Wilford looks like a bust FA since he's been dropped to 4th on the depth chart.....it will be interesting to see if Darek Hagan can offer anything eh?
 
Jimmy Johnson brought in a veteran Kevin Gogan from Dallas (and a bunch of other free agents for the team) for the Offensive line in Miami (similar to your Faneca move). And Kevin Gogan wasn't nearly the same guy he was in Dallas.. Alan Faneca, while a good run blocker, has been average at best pass blocking.. I saw a stat, and of all the pressure Roethlisberger received, Faneca's man was in on Roethlisberger the most ( maybe Blk'GldBabe can vouche for that).. One other thing to note is, Pittsburgh Steelers players who have gone free agency to other teams have busted.. The list is very long for Steeler free agents who went to other teams who did little to nothing at all ( Blk'NgldBabe can vouche for that as well).

No All-Pro, who is considered one of the top two players at his positions, is "average at best" in such an important facet of his game.

And if this is Favre's last season, which it likely is, you have a huge hole at the QB position to boot.

Well thats not true, with Clemens, and with the way Ratliff has come on. But so what, there was a huge hole at QB before Farve came.

As far as week 1 is concerned, the pressure is all on the Jets coming to Miami.. Miami has been VERY loose this preseason playing with tremendous emotion, emotion like a college football team has.. I see them really ready in week 1. They are just playing lights out enthusiastic football out there- on both sides of the ball.

Now ANYTHING can happen in this game of football on any given Sunday.. If the NY Jets win that opener in Miami I will be surprised. Not shocked, but I will be surprised.. ANYTHING can happen. Nobody in the world thought the NY Giants would win the Super Bowl last year after the garbage start they had last season. NOBODY guessed that.. One advantage for the Jets is, after their first 3 games, you guys have an easy schedule. So that also has to be taken into account.

Maybe you will be surprise, but that is only because you are a Dolphins fan. Jets are 3 point favorites.
 
Nation...what are your thoughts on our wide outs?...outside of Ginn im unimpressed.....Wilford looks like a bust FA since he's been dropped to 4th on the depth chart.....it will be interesting to see if Darek Hagan can offer anything eh?

Ginn has looked great. Remember that it usually takes 3 years for a WR to really bust out after being drafted.. WR's just take longer to develop.. This is his 2nd year and he has shown great improvement compared to this time last year. I am not worried about this guy at all.

Don't know what's going on with Wilford. While he hasn't looked good, I skimmed through a Jacksonville board and he seems like one of those players that doesn't play well in camp, but shows up for the season.. At least that's what happened last year when he played there.. He is one of those possession guys who moved the chains for first downs for them last year.. And a good red zone threat because of his height... I really don't know what's going to happen.. Because if this is the Wilford we will see in the season, I am not impressed.

Hagan is interesting.. Like I mentioned, it usually takes a WR 3 years to bust out, and this is his third season.. Hagan has had a good camp. He was our best WR in the first 2 weeks of camp.. Parcells has taken a liking to him and pulled him over for some private talks. I think he sees something in him that he likes.. With that said, this is a make it or break it year for him. He has to show continued development and transfer it over to the season if he wants to be a dolphin next year.. Because make no mistake about it, if he doesn't cut it this season, the trifecta will replace him quickly (either through the draft, trade, or free agency next offseason).

Davone Bess is an interesting rookie FA. He has the best hands of anyone on the team.. The kid catches everything in sight.. I mean, his hands are lights out incredible.. The problem with him is, is he is small, and slow.. Now he is quick, VERY QUICK as we saw in the last game with catches and the return he had on special teams, but he has slow straight ahead speed for NFL WR standards..

I just don't like the combination of small and not fast for a WR.. Now there are a few of them who have made it in the NFL claiming that distinction, but it's very rare.. You have to be a VERY precise player such as Wes Welker to have a chance.. But the coaching staff seems to like him, and he has been making plays out there.. By the way, if you have never seen Bess play, here's a 5 minute video of his college highlights-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYNJ5w5ij_U

I was surprised they cut Kircus so quickly.. That can only be good news for Bess, as many thought they were both fighting for a roster spot...

There was also a report that Miami and Dallas were interested in Anquan Boldin.. He wants out of Arizona as he and the coach don't get along over a contract dispute.. So it looks like Miami is already looking to upgrade the receiver position since they are interested in him... Cuts are looming in a few days (on Aug 30th) and Sparano has already mentioned that they are going to pick up quite a few players on the waiver wire.. Remember, Miami has first pick on waiver claims.. Maybe WR will be one of the positions they go after..

The Giants have 8 WR's. And it looks like they may cut a couple of good ones since they can't keep all 8 of them on the roster. I really like Hixon there, he was absolutely awesome the other night vs the Browns as I watched that game... He may be cut as they have some good wideouts.. That is just one team that has a surplus of WR's that may be let loose in a couple of days when teams make their final roster cuts...

I expect Miami to make a few maneuvers on cut day.. Sparano has repeated that they have a lot of scouts watching other teams this preseason to better the "bottom of our roster".. That tells me he wants better depth players, and we will grab them as soon as they become available.. He said the staff is "leaving no stone unturned" when it comes to looking at every player on the waiver wire (and players who are cut by other teams on a daily basis)
 
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No All-Pro, who is considered one of the top two players at his positions, is "average at best" in such an important facet of his game.

Why? because of pro bowls? Everybody knows pro bowls mostly go by reputation.. I can give you countless examples of players not deserving of a pro bowl selection. I wasn;t surprised that the steelers let him go.. I have heard quite a few steeler fans upset with his pass blocking recently over the last couple of years.

Hey , if he does well for you, great.. But there has been a good history of Steeler players who have went to other teams and busted.. As a matter of fact, it's a longtime joke with people who really follow football.

I just don't believe in the free agent strategy as band aid solutions.. I pointed out clearly how the Pats, Steelers and Colts won super bowls recently by going the way of the draft.. Snider in Washington is notorious for getting any older free agent he can find to plug holes on his team, and he has done it for many years. Well the skins haven't been to the super bowl under Snider.. I just find it to be a philosophy destined for failure.

If the Jets win the super bowl this year, then more power to you. And I will be the first on here, in this thread, to congratulate the Jets (as much as it would pain me to do so)

Maybe you will be surprise, but that is only because you are a Dolphins fan. Jets are 3 point favorites.

Well obviously. Miami was 1-15 last season.. However, talk to anyone in the know and they will tell you why Vegas makes their lines/odds.. They make them so they can get an even amount of people betting on both sides. They project the most money they can make that way-- it doesn't have to do with who they think is the better team, or who they think will win the game by a certain amount of points. It's all about wagering on both sides evenly, and money

And what does the line matter anyway ? Denver came into Miami on opening day 3 years ago as 10 point favorites (or at least that was the opening line a couple weeks before the game if I recall), and Miami beat em by about 20... Denver players after the game, to a man, said how the heat shocked them, and said how they were totally worn out by the middle of the 3rd quarter.. So Lines mean nothing. I always laugh when people bring up Vegas odds in an argument.

Like I said, Miami was heavy underdogs at home to Denver for Miami's home opener in early Sepetember, the same year Denver went to the AFC championship game...This was during Saban's first season and he had the team in great condition after a hard training camp in the heat.. Similar to the camp the team is having currently.. last year, Cameron had a VERY soft camp and the team was basically out of shape, it was evident on opening day in Washington.. But this year is similar to Saban's first camp,.

You can't discount the heat and humidity, just like I can't discount Miami going up north in the cold in December to play in NY.. It works both ways. Both teams have advantages at home this season ( as NY has to go to Miami in week 1 when it's very hot, and Miami has to go to NY in late december when it very cold this season). Same difference, same advantages for both teams with the weather factor.

Like I said, I won't be totally shocked if the Jets win on Sept 7th, but I will be surprised.. If the jets win that game, and if it's hot and humid as it usually is at that time of year down there, then more power to them. It will be impressive, because it's very hard to do when going up against a team that regularly has hard practices in that suffocating humidity...... I mean, Miami had the best September record of any team in the NFL for like a 20 year stretch. For a reason.
 
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Why? because of pro bowls? Everybody knows pro bowls mostly go by reputation.. I can give you countless examples of players not deserving of a pro bowl selection. I wasn;t surprised that the steelers let him go.. I have heard quite a few steeler fans upset with his pass blocking recently over the last couple of years.

No, not pro bowls. The guy is an ALL-PRO. "People who really follow football" know the difference
I just don't believe in the free agent strategy as band aid solutions.. I pointed out clearly how the Pats, Steelers and Colts won super bowls recently by going the way of the draft.. Snider in Washington is notorious for getting any older free agent he can find to plug holes on his team, and he has done it for many years. Well the skins haven't been to the super bowl under Snider.. I just find it to be a philosophy destined for failure.

So I guess the Pats didn't utilize free agency, and trades to help them go 16-0 last year. I guess you've never heard of Randy Moss, or Wes Welker.

And I guess Steve Hutchensen didn't help in Minnesota. There are countless examples both ways. And the Jets haven't built through free agency. They added 4 players by that manner this offseason.

And what does the line matter anyway ? Denver came into Miami on opening day 3 years ago as 10 point favorites (or at least that was the opening line a couple weeks before the game if I recall), and Miami beat em by about 20... Denver players after the game, to a man, said how the heat shocked them, and said how they were totally worn out by the middle of the 3rd quarter.. So Lines mean nothing. I always laugh when people bring up Vegas odds in an argument.

You are missing the point. It matters because the Jets are favoured to WIN. The only reason such an occurrence would surprise you, is because you are a Fins fan. It would surprise no one else.
 
No, not pro bowls. The guy is an ALL-PRO. "People who really follow football" know the difference

And people who have followed the Steelers and the team know that he has had problems in pass blocking over the past couple of seasons..

I will try to find the site that had the statistics showing he was the one most responsible for pressure and sacks on Rothlisberger. They do record such things.

So I guess the Pats didn't utilize free agency, and trades to help them go 16-0 last year. I guess you've never heard of Randy Moss, or Wes Welker.

NE was already a great team built through the draft just adding bonus pieces.. A HUGE difference compared to a 4-12 team (as the Jets were last year), trying to patch big holes via free agency..

You are missing the point. It matters because the Jets are favoured to WIN. The only reason such an occurrence would surprise you, is because you are a Fins fan. It would surprise no one else.

Hey man,. I lived in Miami beach for almost 2 decades.. I have witnessed teams come into Miami on opening day and totally wilt in that heat.. Miami had a 20 year stretch of having the best September record in the league because of that heat.. Those are facts.. You can discount it if you like... But dammit you are making too much out of this. I said that the Jets will have a clear advantage with that weather up there in December when the two teams meet... I have always conceded that......... The fact that you can't say that Miami has some sort of advantage in early September at home, in that heat and humidity, is because you are just a Jets fan ( or a Favre fan)
 
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thanks for the tips nation.....

as far as Boldin goes....Arizona is not moving him....as far as i can tell....not until the offseason anyways.....
 
thanks for the tips nation.....

as far as Boldin goes....Arizona is not moving him....as far as i can tell....not until the offseason anyways.....

Im actually a little suprised Parcells hasnt invited Terry Glenn for a workout
 
makes sense...otherwise he would probably be a dolphin.....i really didnt want him anyways...

the offseason could interesting....i can think of at least 3 WR that are potentially available....Chad Johnson T.J Houshmanzadeh and Anquan BOldin......and we have room
 
a few things...

1) it's not that faneca has had problems blocking on passing downs the past few seasons, he's just never been known as a superb pass blocker. he's still a good one. and he's one of the best off the run.

2) despite the fact that passblocking isn't his forte, he was only credited with two sacks allowed last season.

3) the jets brought him in not only to help them as an all-pro lineman but also because he is going to slide right in between ferguson and mangold and provide them with veteran expertise, leadership and support... something those two youngsters could desperately use to boost them up to the next level (having a player as good as faneca between them won't hurt, either).

and at 31 he isn't too old. he will decline throughout the duration of the deal but he should still have at least another 2-3 years of top notch play left in him. plenty of linemen have continued to play at a high level right into their late 30s (shields, roaf, matthews, ogden to name a few).
 
makes sense...otherwise he would probably be a dolphin.....i really didnt want him anyways...

the offseason could interesting....i can think of at least 3 WR that are potentially available....Chad Johnson T.J Houshmanzadeh and Anquan BOldin......and we have room

We will surely get a WR. When I hear this regime speak, they really sound like they know what the heck they're talking about and how to build a team.

Now the guy that I would LOVE to bring in next offseason is Terrell Suggs. Now that is a player.. But really, I would rather draft a LB like Maualuga or James Laurinaitis.. I am certain they will go front 7 in the first couple of rounds.. Remember we have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds as we got an additional 2nd with the JT trade... So as I see it, front 7 for two of those first 3 picks, and CB or WR with the other one.. But who knows what may happen until then as it's a long way off..

And leafman101, back to the game on opening day.. Let's talk matchups. The matchup that I am very concerned about is our OLB on your TE matchup.. I really like Keller a player and he is definitely fast. I think Keller has the potential of having a good game in his NFL debut.. Miami has to somehow mask a coverage to contain him.. I know all about Coles and Cotchery, but I really like our new secondary coach as he is well respected in the business (MUCH better than the guy we had last season).. Keller does scare me though.

Let me ask, does Keller look like he is going to start ?
I know he has been on two tight end sets
 
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