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[JaysCyYoung]

I'm not a huge NFL fan so don't butcher me for this list but my top five list would be...

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Carson Palmer
5. Philip Rivers

Romo and Hasselbeck would be just on the outside looking in for me.

 

[mbow30]

eli is an elite qb because he won a superbowl?

is trent dilfer an elite qb? brad johnson?

come on, let's not get ahead of ourselves. eli manning has been a decidedly average qb throughout his nfl career. winning the superbowl hasn't changed that.

 

[mbow30]

I'm not a huge NFL fan so don't butcher me for this list but my top five list would be...

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Carson Palmer
5. Philip Rivers

Romo and Hasselbeck would be just on the outside looking.

if garrard replicates his 2007 campaign he will fit nicely into a grouping with brees and perhaps romo and hasselbeck.

rivers still has proving to do; as it stands, garrard outperformed him last season.


and i'm not sure what to think about palmer. tough to get a read on him with all the BS he has had to deal with in cinci.

 

[JaysCyYoung]

Like I said, I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to the NFL but Palmer's 104 TD to just 63 interception ratio is excellent is it not? Not to mention the career passer rating above 90. What other ways are there of properly judging quarterback values?

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

eli is an elite qb because he won a superbowl?

is trent dilfer an elite qb? brad johnson?

come on, let's not get ahead of ourselves. eli manning has been a decidedly average qb throughout his nfl career. winning the superbowl hasn't changed that.

I figured you would bring them up but given they won only because of their defences whereas Eli's play in the playoffs was a major factor in the SB, it is not a good comparison.

 

[TheCountofMonteCristo]

I'm not a huge NFL fan so don't butcher me for this list but my top five list would be...

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Drew Brees
4. Carson Palmer
5. Philip Rivers

Romo and Hasselbeck would be just on the outside looking in for me.

Romo is ahead of both Brees and Rivers

 

[soco22]

I figured you would bring them up but given they won only because of their defences whereas Eli's play in the playoffs was a major factor in the SB, it is not a good comparison.

My perspective is, yes, he did have that one amazing play - but NY won the superbowl because of their defense.

They did an amazing job - and that front four was the difference in the game with all the pressure they put on Brady. Won't say it's only because of the defense, but I'm close to saying it was only because of it.

 

[mbow30]

I figured you would bring them up but given they won only because of their defences whereas Eli's play in the playoffs was a major factor in the SB, it is not a good comparison.

4 games does not wipe out 4 years of mediocrity.

until eli gains some consistency, brad johnson remains a better qb.

 

[mbow30]

Like I said, I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to the NFL but Palmer's 104 TD to just 63 interception ratio is excellent is it not? Not to mention the career passer rating above 90. What other ways are there of properly judging quarterback values?

oh, he's definitely an excellent QB, but team accomplishments have to be taken into account when you're talking about a qb and they haven't been there for palmer. now, a lot of that is because the bengals are and always have been a mess (over the past few years because of their off-field issues) but you still have to take that into account.

his numbers have also declined in each of the past two seasons.

 

[LeafNation]

Romo is ahead of both Brees and Rivers

I may agree with Rivers.. But no way is Romo ahead of Brees.. No way no how.

Maybe in the future, but not right now.

 

[LeafNation]

Oh jesus.. Dolphins offensive line is going through some growing pains in this game tonight

http://www.justin.tv/medieval954

Maybe a good thing as their heads were getting a little too big with their success earlier.

 

[mbow30]

Oh jesus.. Dolphins offensive line is going through some growing pains in this game tonight

http://www.justin.tv/medieval954

hey they're on the right path. they won't go 1-15 again, but they still have a ways to go.

but parcells will assemble a winner, no doubt about that.

 

[leafman101]

1. Payton
2. Brady
3. Brees
4. Palmer
5. Hasselback
6. Romo
7. Farve
8. McNabb
9. Roethesburger
10. Garrard.

Eli was great in the Super Bowl. Don't compare him to trent Dilfer. He showed he can be great. But he has to do it for a full game, nevermind full season.

 

[leaffan2005]

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Palmer
4. Brees
5. Romo
6. Roethlisberger
7. Hasselback
8. McNabb
9. Favre
10. Garrard


We could see Matt Schaub and/or Jay Cutler become part of the top-ten as soon as this season if they perform as expected. Oh, and I think a lot of people are really underrating Romo.

 

[blkngldbabe]

How in good God's name is Palmer ahead of Farve first of all..and Roethlisberger is NOWHERE near ninth. Palmer has never won a playoff game and has only managed to float his team to one. How does that garner being 4th overall? Hasselbeck plays in a cupcake division but at least managed to get to a Bowl game... Romo still needs to prove himself in the big games but looks good regular season..Brees? What is this a Stat a thon? He is no slouch by any means but is far from top three material in the league currently.

 

[LeafNation]

Wow. All through preseason (and training camp) I have loved rookie Chad Henne's poise and confidence (and accuracy).

After his first 2 passes that fell incomplete, and a fumble and sack very early in the game tonight.. He comes back with a huge chip on his shoulder showing tremendous poise and confidence going 11 for 11 for 108 yards on 2 long TD drives right before the end of the 1st half.. Just looking great out there with his demeanor in the huddle and leading the offense. Very impressive.

Remember that name, Chad Henne.. He is Miami's future QB.

 

[leafman101]

How in good God's name is Palmer ahead of Farve first of all..and Roethlisberger is NOWHERE near ninth. Palmer has never won a playoff game and has only managed to float his team to one. How does that garner being 4th overall? Hasselbeck plays in a cupcake division but at least managed to get to a Bowl game... Romo still needs to prove himself in the big games but looks good regular season..Brees? What is this a Stat a thon? He is no slouch by any means but is far from top three material in the league currently.

Palmer is the ideal quarterback. If you could make a QB from scratch, its that guy.

As for Roethlisberger, I'm not exactly sure how far from 9th you can put him. IMO he's not as good as Manning, Brady, Brees, Palmer, Farve, Romo. I guess you could slide him in 7th. Personally I'd take Hasselback, and if McNabb can return to form from a couple years ago, I take him no questions asked.

He's pretty close, at least arguably, to 9th.

 

[LeafNation]

Leafman101.. A Warning for you.... Don't argue with BlkNGold regarding Roethlisberger.. A couple of years ago she told me that he was better than Marino..

Well let me just say that it didn't get pretty after that (as pretty as she is), heh .. Just warning ya

 

[leafman101]

Leafman101.. A Warning for you.... Don't argue with BlkNGold regarding Roethlisberger.. A couple of years ago she told me that he was better than Marino..

Well let me just say that it didn't get pretty after that (as pretty as she is), heh .. Just warning ya

Heh..fair enough.

Screw all this preseason bullshit....lets get this thing started already.

Just over 1 week...

 

[blkngldbabe]

Leafman101.. A Warning for you.... Don't argue with BlkNGold regarding Roethlisberger.. A couple of years ago she told me that he was better than Marino..

Well let me just say that it didn't get pretty after that (as pretty as she is), heh .. Just warning ya

Ah misremembering....I said Ben beat alot of his rookie records. You said NO WAY. I would never argue that a rookie RB is better than a HOF QB. Just that he had a kickass rookie campaign that was starting to measure up to the greatness that was Marino.DOesn't matter, bygones. But seriously LN...do you agree with the top ten assessments? I figured if anyone would have something to say it would be you.

Just some info..

In order of passer rating from last season

Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Tom Brady NE QB 398 578 68.9 36.1 4,806 8.3 300.4 50 8 240 41.5 69T 56 15 21 117.2
2 Ben Roethr PIT QB 264 404 65.3 26.9 3,154 7.8 210.3 32 11 168 41.6 83 39 6 47 104.1
3 David Garrard JAC QB 208 325 64.0 27.1 2,509 7.7 209.1 18 3 126 38.8 59T 34 5 21 102.2
4 Peyton Manning IND QB 337 515 65.4 32.2 4,040 7.8 252.5 31 14 205 39.8 73T 53 9 21 98.0
5 Tony Romo DAL QB 335 520 64.4 32.5 4,211 8.1 263.2 36 19 215 41.3 59T 55 11 24 97.4
6 Brett Favre GB QB 356 535 66.5 33.4 4,155 7.8 259.7 28 15 197 36.8 82T 49 16 15 95.7
7 Jeff Garcia TB QB 209 327 63.9 25.2 2,440 7.5 187.7 13 4 112 34.3 69T 29 8 19 94.6
8 Matt Hassk SEA QB 352 562 62.6 35.1 3,966 7.1 247.9 28 12 204 36.3 65 48 7 33 91.4
9 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 291 473 61.5 33.8 3,324 7.0 237.4 19 7 152 32.1 75T 35 10 44 89.9
10 Kurt Warner ARI QB 281 451 62.3 32.2 3,417 7.6 244.1 27 17 167 37.0 62 44 5 20 89.8

By Touchdown passes

Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Tom Brady NE QB 398 578 68.9 36.1 4,806 8.3 300.4 50 8 240 41.5 69T 56 15 21 117.2
2 Tony Romo DAL QB 335 520 64.4 32.5 4,211 8.1 263.2 36 19 215 41.3 59T 55 11 24 97.4
3 Ben Roethr PIT QB 264 404 65.3 26.9 3,154 7.8 210.3 32 11 168 41.6 83 39 6 47 104.1
4 Peyton Manning IND QB 337 515 65.4 32.2 4,040 7.8 252.5 31 14 205 39.8 73T 53 9 21 98.0
5 Derek Anderson CLE QB 298 527 56.5 32.9 3,787 7.2 236.7 29 19 187 35.5 78T 53 6 14 82.5
6 Drew Brees NO QB 440 652 67.5 40.8 4,423 6.8 276.4 28 18 232 35.6 58 47 8 16 89.4
6 Brett Favre GB QB 356 535 66.5 33.4 4,155 7.8 259.7 28 15 197 36.8 82T 49 16 15 95.7
6 Matt Hassk SEA QB 352 562 62.6 35.1 3,966 7.1 247.9 28 12 204 36.3 65 48 7 33 91.4
9 Kurt Warner ARI QB 281 451 62.3 32.2 3,417 7.6 244.1 27 17 167 37.0 62 44 5 20 89.8
10 Carson Palmer CIN QB 373 575 64.9 35.9 4,131 7.2 258.2 26 20 213 37.0 70T 51 8 17 86.7

Check out the average gain per passing plays. Look at completion percentage and then check out how many attempts. I'd show you all of the categories but no need to
take up that much band width. Check out your top ten against the numbers. Who makes the best of what they have? Take into account run first teams vs west coast teams etc.
That is the only way to make a fair assessment of top QB talent. Palmer had all of 26 TD's vs 20 INTS Brady was godlike and Manning had a very good year as well. Check
Out the trends from past years...who is consistent? Meh, no matter it's all speculation and opinion anyways but picking a popular name doesn't always mean top ten is all.