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Toronto Maple Leafs @ San Jose Sharks 10:30pm TSN4

Look at this crap. Our defender gets the puck inside our zone, and all our forwards are WAITING at the Sharks blue line. WTF??
 
blacksheep said:
No, it's precisely the way you said it: the team plays worse. That's not because Riemer is worse or even that he's a bad goalie. The team, as a whole, just floats around.
This game is a perfect example. Our opponent got five times more shots in the second period, but no goals.
Not Riemer's fault.
Wouldn't be Bernier's either.
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Thats why i said feels.

Show evidence of worse play beyond just saying it.
 
Leafin' said:
Show evidence of worse play beyond just saying it.
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You made the claim. You show the evidence.
I saw a Leafs team within a goal of a tie in the dying minute despite being badly outshot - with our "just ok" goalie in net. That hasn't happened in any of Bernier's last three games, but I don't blame those losses on Bernier, like you are doing with Riemer.
 
Damn, 1 goal in 3 games and they got pummeled on the shot clock again. 3-10 in the past 13 games and now they have St. Louis on the road. At least they're doing the nose dive early.

I give 'em 5 more games and then management should start clearing the decks.
 
Leafs are in tank mode. Can't really blame them. Clean house and get a bunch of picks this year, deep draft.
 
BeLeafer said:
Damn, 1 goal in 3 games and they got pummeled on the shot clock again. 3-10 in the past 13 games and now they have St. Louis on the road. At least they're doing the nose dive early.

I give 'em 5 more games and then management should start clearing the decks.
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I don't think we need to rush into any moves that quickly. The trade deadline is still seven weeks away (March 2nd). So, I don't think there would be any harm in giving this group at least a full month, or more, under Horachek to see what he and the team can make out of themselves. After all, this is a valuable opportunity to evaluate the core and this team under a different coach, and I think it'd be a bit of a waste to just blow everything up fairly soon into this experiment.

But if we're even farther back from the playoff picture than we are now getting towards the deadline, then yeah...sell off whatever's not bolted down. Pending UFA's on cheap contracts like Santorelli and Winnik will be pretty useful pieces for contenders, and should get a good return. They'll also have to make a decision on Cody Franson---I'd either want to see him signed before the deadline, or traded. Or, if he really is a big Leaf fan and wants to stick around long-term, you could deal him as a rental with the promise that he'll get a contract offer from us in the summer. I'd sort of like to keep him around, but maybe you consider dealing Polak if you get a good enough offer. Finding Robidas a new home would be nice too, but that's doubtful one year into a three year contract.

After those guys, it should still be pretty wide open, depending what's on the table.
 
LeafGm said:
I don't think we need to rush into any moves that quickly. The trade deadline is still seven weeks away (March 2nd). So, I don't think there would be any harm in giving this group at least a full month, or more, under Horachek to see what he and the team can make out of themselves. After all, this is a valuable opportunity to evaluate the core and this team under a different coach, and I think it'd be a bit of a waste to just blow everything up fairly soon into this experiment.

But if we're even farther back from the playoff picture than we are now getting towards the deadline, then yeah...sell off whatever's not bolted down. Pending UFA's on cheap contracts like Santorelli and Winnik will be pretty useful pieces for contenders, and should get a good return. They'll also have to make a decision on Cody Franson---I'd either want to see him signed before the deadline, or traded. Or, if he really is a big Leaf fan and wants to stick around long-term, you could deal him as a rental with the promise that he'll get a contract offer from us in the summer. I'd sort of like to keep him around, but maybe you consider dealing Polak if you get a good enough offer. Finding Robidas a new home would be nice too, but that's doubtful one year into a three year contract.

After those guys, it should still be pretty wide open, depending what's on the table.
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Yeah, maybe a bit too impetuous, but I mean start exploring trade options upon that time. Agree though that the team and new coaching could maybe use a bit more time for evaluation.

As heretical as it might seem around this place, I'd love to see them trade Phaneuf to a team desperate for some blueline help heading down the stretch. I too would like to have them resign Franson and deal some of these vets or one year signings for some draft picks.
 
We know what this team is. Even when they start to get some puck luck and scoring again, they still are a middling team with lots of room for improvement. And the players are what we thought they were.

Playing a safer game doesn't make Bozak any less of a pushover down low, or Franson or Gardiner any smarter, etc.

These guys have all played a bunch of NHL games, under multiple coaches, and can fairly and reasonably be evaluated. To change opinons based on a potential good 10 game run would be counter productive.
 
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I think Randy was one of the problems. But not the only one.

This team has too many floaters that quit when the going gets tough. It should be pretty apparent to Shanny that there needs to be some big time changes. This team has too many question marks.
 
Early returns aren't good but I think the roster needs more time to attempt adjusting to a totally new system.

doesn't look like they can do it but it'll take more than a few games to know for sure.
 
Volcanologist said:
Early returns aren't good but I think the roster needs more time to attempt adjusting to a totally new system.

doesn't look like they can do it but it'll take more than a few games to know for sure.
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This.

They are playing like crap. On a long western road trip. Playing against very solid teams back to back and our bottom six is decimated with injuries.
 
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