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World Cup

This discussion is just stupid going on ad nauseam. If someone doesn't like the thing, whatever. Not sure why anyone really gives a ****. Whatever happened to talk hock? It's like an after thought around here these days.

Anyway, there is interesting hockey being played, particularly if you're a Leafs fan looking at how some unknowns shape up against NHL-level or better competition. Zaitsev and Matthews are big interests to me. Both look really, really good out there. Good in that they look poised to transition very well into the NHL.

I also noticed, not sure about others, but Laine looks positively mediocre relative to Matthews. Yeah, it's just a few games but they look to be on completely different levels. Big gap.
 
Just saw this:

The ambitious plans go well beyond the revamped World Cup, which we first reported in November, with the league also looking at creating a Ryder Cup-style event that begins in September 2018.

Here’s how that would work: 25 of the top North Americans and Europeans going head-to-head in a five- or seven-game series. Consider The 02 Arena in London, England as the early front-runner to host that event, although nothing has been finalized.

That will be awesome too.
 
Hey, it's probably been wiki'ed by now, not sure how that works for jays since that seems to be the important thing...not things like, oh....actual physical contact.


But no...just like an all-star game.
 
Like I said, watch the games. They've been extremely competitive, exciting and my eyes haven't glazed over like I'm reading a 5 paragraph post on historical anachronisms. Nothing like an all-star game.
 
Like I said, watch the games. They've been extremely competitive, exciting and my eyes haven't glazed over like I'm reading a 5 paragraph post on historical anachronisms. Nothing like an all-star game.
I've been enjoying the WC too. Pretty exciting and enjoying following Leafs players.
 
Hey, it's probably been wiki'ed by now, not sure how that works for jays since that seems to be the important thing...not things like, oh....actual physical contact.


But no...just like an all-star game.

The format is like you'd see for an all-star game, not the intensity level or quality of play. But please continue to put words I never said in my mouth, by all means. I haven't actually attacked the quality of competition in this thread.
 
Like I said, watch the games. They've been extremely competitive, exciting and my eyes haven't glazed over like I'm reading a 5 paragraph post on historical anachronisms. Nothing like an all-star game.

I watched a lot of the Finland-Russia game today. It was pretty good. Russians ooze skill like they were expected, but the Finns didn't seem to be in synch much with one another, which was surprising given that they usually have that as their biggest asset.
 
This discussion is just stupid going on ad nauseam. If someone doesn't like the thing, whatever. Not sure why anyone really gives a ****. Whatever happened to talk hock? It's like an after thought around here these days.

Anyway, there is interesting hockey being played, particularly if you're a Leafs fan looking at how some unknowns shape up against NHL-level or better competition. Zaitsev and Matthews are big interests to me. Both look really, really good out there. Good in that they look poised to transition very well into the NHL.

I also noticed, not sure about others, but Laine looks positively mediocre relative to Matthews. Yeah, it's just a few games but they look to be on completely different levels. Big gap.

Yeah,it kind of sucks this thread has become entirely an argument when we really should be enjoying Matthews, Rielly and Zaitsev.
 
Yeah,it kind of sucks this thread has become entirely an argument when we really should be enjoying Matthews, Rielly and Zaitsev.

Yeah, especially when they are all blowing the doors off. Disappointed the Finns lost today, but it does mean Matthews and Rielly for the preseason.
 
While we are talking about actual hockey, is there a more underrated player than Marian Hossa. He's about to score his 500th goal, which is practically unheard of in this era. The only guys from his era with more goals are Jagr, Selanne, Iginla, and Ovie, and technically Selanne and Jagr scored a ton of goals during the early 90's wide open era. The only guy close behind him is Marleau who has played almost 200 more games.

He is 26th all time in era adjusted goals with 565.

Plus the guy has played in 5 of the last 9 Stanley Cup finals for 3 different teams.

He always seems to be overshadowed by his teammates (Malkin/Crosby, Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Toews/Kane) but he has been equally as important, if not moreso to those teams.

On top of the offensive numbers he's been one of the best two way players in the game. Plus the Sens gave him away, which is a bonus.

The guy is a first ballot hall of famer and not really talked about like one.
 
Hossa is one of those players for whom his actual career accomplishments were perennially unnoticed or under-appreciated when he was a player, but for whom history will be highly complimentary.

Eight 30 goal seasons (and three seasons of 29 goals), the aforementioned 565 adjusted goals, 1207 career adjusted points (placing him 38th all-time), 27th all-time in offensive point shares, 53rd all-time in total point shares, and he has been a model of consistency.

His peak performances weren't quite as high as some of the other offensive stars of this era, but like Sundin he made up for it with sustained excellence and consistency on a yearly basis.

4th, 5th, 5th, and 6th place finishes in goals, a 9th place finish in assists, and a 5th and 6th place finish in points demonstrates that consistency. Never too high or too low. But Hossa was also a terrific defensive player: he's a career +238 (42nd all-time), and while that's not a perfect statistic, he still managed to always be on the positive side of the ledger even on a consistently awful team in Atlanta (a combined +35 in his first two full seasons with the Thrashers) and posted a 55.7% Corsi rating and a 55.6% Fenwick in the first seven years that the statistic was recorded, during the downside of his career nonetheless.

Hossa was also a really terrific player and a tremendous international performer when called upon for his native Slovakia at the highest level (25 points in 15 career Olympic games). Add in the three Stanley Cup championships, 5 Finals appearances, and over 200 playoff games and nearly 150 playoff points and he's a first-ballot guy no question (or should be). He's one of the most underrated forwards ever IMO. He's very similar to a comparable guy in Patrik Elias, although I think Hossa is better, and Elias has a lot of Hall support online.
 
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