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worm said:
is that what leaf fans were saying last year?
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IMO that's exactly what happened to us. We started getting beaten by teams with more muscle..We couldn't generate much and our goaltending let us down as well. We just weren't good enough. This year we upgraded in most areas but still not where we should be imo. I definitely wouldn't want to take on Washington right now. They'll be very tough to beat.
 
PKForce81 said:
Now see to me this is either an excuse or you don't know much about how the game works. Why wouldn't the Habs play their best? You make it seem like it's not important to have physical play, puck possession, shot blocking and so on. I hate these "well we didn't play our best" excuses..Who goes into games not giving their all? You also seem to forget that teams are much more relaxed and willing to take chances in the first 30 games or so...Once it gets closer to playoff hockey everyone starts to tighten up because points are that much more important. Keep thinking that you're losing because you're just playing bad and not because you don't have good enough players.
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See to me this means you either don't know the meaning of the word "excuse" or you don't realize that teams go through slumps and don't play their best every game.

An excuse would be if I blamed injuries or refs or luck. I'm not blaming anything other than the team flat out playing shitty hockey.
 
PKForce81 said:
You also seem to forget that teams are much more relaxed and willing to take chances in the first 30 games or so...Once it gets closer to playoff hockey everyone starts to tighten up because points are that much more important. Keep thinking that you're losing because you're just playing bad and not because you don't have good enough players.
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Btw this is total ansurdity. The notion that teams don't try as hard in the first 30 games then tighten up after that is beyond ridiculous. Do you have any statistical data to back that up at all?
 
Habspatrol said:
Btw this is total ansurdity. The notion that teams don't try as hard in the first 30 games then tighten up after that is beyond ridiculous. Do you have any statistical data to back that up at all?
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Here is what will happen. If we meet and we beat you in 4 or 5, i want you guys to admit we're a better team..You will get the same if you beat us. None of this "we played shitty hockey" crap. You're taking away credit from your opponent with this.

As for the above, it's common sense and happens every year really. Someone can do the stats and i'd bet you goals against go down for the teams that actually make it.
 
so...was it habsy that had a bet of leafs vs habs? that could come down to saturday

looks like the oilers vs flames will be close as well
 
PKForce81 said:
Here is what will happen. If we meet and we beat you in 4 or 5, i want you guys to admit we're a better team..You will get the same if you beat us. None of this "we played shitty hockey" crap. You're taking away credit from your opponent with this.

As for the above, it's common sense and happens every year really. Someone can do the stats and i'd bet you goals against go down for the teams that actually make it.
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are you a sens fan that needs a pat on the back from your big brother? :p
 
PKForce81 said:
Here is what will happen. If we meet and we beat you in 4 or 5, i want you guys to admit we're a better team..You will get the same if you beat us. None of this "we played shitty hockey" crap. You're taking away credit from your opponent with this.

As for the above, it's common sense and happens every year really. Someone can do the stats and i'd bet you goals against go down for the teams that actually make it.
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I would have no problem admitting that the Leafs are the better team. You act as if I'm one of these irrational Leaf haters. Ive given the Leafs and their players plenty of credit all year and really I've been very fair to them for years.

As for your theory that teams take it easy for the first 30 games it's just not true and there's zero statistical data to back it up.
 
Habspatrol said:
I would have no problem admitting that the Leafs are the better team. You act as if I'm one of these irrational Leaf haters. Ive given the Leafs and their players plenty of credit all year and really I've been very fair to them for years.

As for your theory that teams take it easy for the first 30 games it's just not true and there's zero statistical data to back it up.
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I know you do, i apologize for trying to suggest otherwise. As cork put it, i'm sure you guys know the weaknesses so i was just thinking that maybe you're not willing to admit that it's a lot more than just playing shitty hockey..Better teams will always make you look shitty.
 
HP's one of the most unbiased Habs fans here.

If anyone's gonna have trouble admitting the Leafs are the better team if they won, it's guys like HF and that crew. I'm sure we'll have just gotten "lucky".

No one should be surprised this team can score though - high shooting percentage or not - we scored a ton last year and added two top 6 players.
 
PKForce81 said:
I know you do, i apologize for trying to suggest otherwise. As cork put it, i'm sure you guys know the weaknesses so i was just thinking that maybe you're not willing to admit that it's a lot more than just playing shitty hockey..Better teams will always make you look shitty.
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We looked great against good teams for the first 40 games and shitty for the last 6. Washington and the Isles made the Leafs look bad last week. That doesn't mean that the Leafs became a shitty team that can't play against good teams for those couple games. They looked bad in those games but they're still a 25-15-5 team. To ignore those 25 wins and cherry pick a couple of those 15 loses as some sort of magic games with more significance is just some sort of misguided theory.

However... There is a reason for the Habs to be concerned. They are currently playing shitty hockey and they need to get it together for the playoffs or they will be screwed.
 
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hockeylover said:
HP's one of the most unbiased Habs fans here.

If anyone's gonna have trouble admitting the Leafs are the better team if they won, it's guys like HF and that crew. I'm sure we'll have just gotten "lucky".

No one should be surprised this team can score though - high shooting percentage or not - we scored a ton last year and added two top 6 players.
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Anyone who believes a team can win a significant amount of games with "luck" may as well believe in voodoo and sorcery. Can a team be fortunate enough to run into a few goalies on off nights? Sure. But you don't keep a high shooting percentage over the course of 45 games with luck. The Leafs have a high shooting percentage because of the style they play and the fact that they have good shooters.
 
Habspatrol said:
Anyone who believes a team can win a significant amount of games with "luck" may as well believe in voodoo and sorcery. Can a team be fortunate enough to run into a few goalies on off nights? Sure. But you don't keep a high shooting percentage over the course of 45 games with luck. The Leafs have a high shooting percentage because of the style they play and the fact that they have good shooters.
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yet so many people/players seem to think God has something to do with it
 
I think PKForce is espousing the Burke idea that you must build your team with the idea that in each playoff round you'll play teams with different styles of play. (physical teams, defensive teams, etc) The idea is that if you want to win the Cup you will play at least one really good physical team. I think talent is always the best indicator who will win, but over the course of 7 games, style matters quite a bit. So if any difference in play exists in the playoffs (ie more "tight" play) it is definitely the result of more specific/rigid styles of play because you are facing one specific opponent and you know their weaknesses.

So despite being a strong team overall for most of the season, I think some people still question if the Habs are missing that "physical" element to their game.
 
Leafovic said:
I think PKForce is espousing the Burke idea that you must build your team with the idea that in each playoff round you'll play teams with different styles of play. (physical teams, defensive teams, etc) The idea is that if you want to win the Cup you will play at least one really good physical team. I think talent is always the best indicator who will win, but over the course of 7 games, style matters quite a bit. So if any difference in play exists in the playoffs (ie more "tight" play) it is definitely the result of more specific/rigid styles of play because you are facing one specific opponent and you know their weaknesses.

So despite being a strong team overall for most of the season, I think some people still question if the Habs are missing that "physical" element to their game.
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I think I agree with what you're saying.

There's not just one way to build a good/winning team. Lets assume a contender has 100 "points" to distribute between goaltending, speed, grittiness, defensive talent and offensive talent. It's not like you need to have 50 gritty points. As long as you have 100 "points" spread out you can make up for weaknesses in one category with strength in another category.

That's a little over simplified mind you.
 
worm said:
so...was it habsy that had a bet of leafs vs habs? that could come down to saturday

looks like the oilers vs flames will be close as well
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Yeah, Habsy and I had an avatar bet on that outcome. I predicted that the Leafs would have a better record this season and he claimed the Habs would have the better record.

I think it's for two weeks or a month - can't remember which one.
 
I thought it was for the summer and then we amended it through the playoffs. I might be wrong though. Senility and all.

I also have a $20 bet with Mindz. Habs started tanking even worse after that one. I think Mindz has like voodoo connections or something.
 
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