OT: The News Thread
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anne25
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I guess it does. Politically I admit I am right of center on many ( but not all) issues.
I'm not watching the hockey games but I check in a few times to see the score. If the Sens weren't playing I probably wouldn't even do that.do that. However, I could be persuaded to check in on the Leafs score (if/when they are in a playoff game) much like I could be persuaded to support a leftish type policy on occasion.
corksens
Legend
It's called anecdotal.
Also, Toronto is a hotbed of L(l)iberal thinking. Has been that way for ages...not sure why.
Maybe because it's home to a great number of first or second generation immigrants. These immigrants have lived under totalitarian regimes and come here embracing liberal ideologies to get away. These immigrants also like the fact that liberal ideologies cater to their acceptance in the society and tend to value their individual cultures.
Whites on the other hand grow up/live/work with, manage or are managed by, immigrants for years. They find it hard to believe when someone on TV tells them that "Hey, that guy Muhammad you are friends with is just pretending. Deep inside he wants to kill you".
Overall, the city has ranked high among the world's best places to live. The people's mindset contribute greatly to that.
corksens
Legend
Immigrants often hold just as 'regressive' ideals as the average "white".
They often vote Liberal out of appreciation and allegiance to the party that facilitated their arrival to the country (which is perfectly reasonable).
Mix that in with the champagne socialist types in Toronto, and you get what you get.
Parties in power change but I'd be surprised if a typical immigrants' left or right leaning position changes with it.
John has grown up with Muhammads all his life and finds no issues with being their fellow Torontonian; Muahmmad wants to be friends with John too and prosper in this country.
Right learning ideology tells John that Muahmmad is taking over your country and you should limit how many of them are around, and they tell Muahmmad that you are different from John and aren't all that welcome here. Both sides, when it comes to Toronto, dislike these positions. Liberal ideologies cater to both.
corksens
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This is sheer idiocy.
Sure go ahead call me an idiot. Either way, Torontonians don't like to be told that we need to stop bringing people from their friends' countries till "our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."
BKerr
Banned
meh, I can find plenty of trump fans in toronto, and who are also leaf fans.
They just don't frequent this board.
When talking about leaf fans, this board is the ultimate in small sample size.
corksens
Legend
I didn't call you an idiot. I stated that sentiment was idiocy. Reducing both groups like that is disingenuous. Not all 'whites' are steeping with anger about immigration and not all immigrants are just happy to be here.
The point I was making was that many immigrant groups are devoutly religious and hold views drastically in opposition to liberal ideals. Sikh and Muslim immigrants are no different than bible thumping christians in their basic outlook.
The point I was making was that many immigrant groups are devoutly religious and hold views drastically in opposition to liberal ideals. Sikh and Muslim immigrants are no different than bible thumping christians in their basic outlook.
worm
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which I find weird because jesus was a communist
Sorry my bad.
That's fair but we are not talking about individuals or groups here. In any large population you will see some representative of different types of mindsets. We are taking about population that is of significant size and can affect elections and legislations. I'm sure there are plenty of Trump fans in Toronto; or plenty of religious people who are not only unwilling to even entertain the thought of their prophet having had a mental disorder as opposed to actually being divine, but also being so attached to their religion that they take part in practices such as honour killing.
I'm sticking to my general sentiment here. It's very hard for a Trump to convince a typical Torontonian that his or her friend is dangerous and win elections as a result; it would be equally hard for an ultra religious politician to win any significant number of votes if his or her platform is mainly about religiosity and how one group is superior to another because of it.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
You honestly believe this mess? Why didn't 10 years of Conservative rule do anything to the immigrant voting trends then? Why didn't the C's get their "appreciation and allegiance" for faciliating their arrival to the country?
I think you're mixing up the words "immigrants" and "muslims".
Altair
Well-known member
In the context of this conversation, Toronto vs Ottawa and Montreal, that doesn't make any sense.
corksens
Legend
Well, it has altered voting trends alittle. But 10 years vs. the past 60 still isn't going to reverse the train. They just slowed it down.
hockeylover
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Of course it's anecdotal. I'm talking about something I noticed on this board specifically.
hockeylover
Well-known member
I was pretty clearly talking about only a weird coincidence on this board but okay. I'm sure there are Trump supporters in Toronto, there are idiots everywhere.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Liberal support in heavy immigrant communities in the GTA hasn't flinched over the last 10 years. I think that overall, it's a pretty good indicator of where the values of those communities are. It's not like there is no Conservative support in those communities. 30-40% Conservative is pretty common in the heaviest immigrant communities of the GTA. It's just overshadowed by the 50%+ Liberal support. The people who hold "family values" (aka, **** fags, protection of "religious speech, etc) as a core voting motivation, are already voting that way. I won't try to suggest that there are some deep values that we would consider conservative in immigrant communities, but there's also a strong current of belief in liberal democracy over religious rule in those communities and it absolutely shows in the voting trends. This idea that they're just repaying the ruling party that ran the show when they came to the country is ****ing foolish. The irony in you shitting on other ideas as idiocy while peddling this is embarrassing.
I can speak for myself and the people I grew up with. Neither I nor my family knew about parties in Canada when we applied to immigrate. We could not careless about parties for a while after we moved (when you don't know the language, the local culture, schools etc, who is the PM is the least of your concerns).
Once we settled and I learned about things in highschool I became more interested.
You say immigrants vote because they appreciate the party that welcome them. Let me tell you what immigrants actually care about. They care that Mr. Harper making them a second class citizen with Bill C54. They care that Bush and Trump where allegedly also"right wing", "conservative" etc. They care about "Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian"
These thoughts, whether educated or not, affects people's votes.