Around the League: 2019-2020 Regular Season

[MindzEye]

There isnt a hope in hell your retaining these 3 next summer if they play well . Ceci is a UFA as well .

Freddie is going to command around 8 as he cant be a lame duck goalie heading into last year , numbers dont work .

Why does anyone care about Ceci being a UFA? He's shit, let him walk.

Freddy is signed for 2 more years and frankly, if he sucks dick in the playoffs again next year, we've got more immediate problems with him than his contract length.

 

[MindzEye]

There is no cap mess going forward with the Leafs. The only reason there were cap concerns this year is because our old GM paid 11 million dollars to the corpse of Patrick Marleau and a Russian defender who can't make an outlet pass.

I'd like to thank the Ottawa Senators franchise for helping us out with that.

 

[DonKay]

There is no cap mess going forward with the Leafs. The only reason there were cap concerns this year is because our old GM paid 11 million dollars to the corpse of Patrick Marleau and a Russian defender who can't make an outlet pass.

I'd like to thank the Ottawa Senators franchise for helping us out with that.

In all likelihood in a conservative estimate you will have 40 million tied up in four players (Mathews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander)

Cap will always be a concern when almost half your payroll is tied up in four players

 

[Altair]

In all likelihood in a conservative estimate you will have 40 million tied up in four players (Mathews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander)

Cap will always be a concern when almost half your payroll is tied up in four players

Leafs just need to make due until Seattle is in the league. Once the cap jumps due to that revenue, toronto is laughing. At least until the next Matthew negotiation

 

[DonKay]

Leafs just need to make due until Seattle is in the league. Once the cap jumps due to that revenue, toronto is laughing. At least until the next Matthew negotiation

Fun...right in time to negotiate with Morgan Rielly, what’s he gonna get? 10.5 mil

 

[Altair]

Fun...right in time to negotiate with Morgan Rielly, what’s he gonna get? 10.5 mil

I'm pretty done worrying about toronto and the cap to be perfectly honest.

People said they couldn't afford john tavares. They did.

People said Matthews was going to be unaffordable. He isn't.

People said nylander wouldn't sign. He did.

People said they couldn't afford to pay their RFAs because of guys like marleau, zaitsev and kadri. They signed them, (minus marner) and traded away marleau, zaitsev and Kadri.

People said they would have a huge hole in the defense because of Gardiner leaving. They got barrie.

The sky isn't failing in leaf land.

 

[hairnova]

Maybe not. If they keep it together, Kadri's their #2. A little bit of an underwhelming #2, but not bad considering his caphit.

Sounds like Kadri will be their #2 and Jost is going to be moved to his wing.

 

[Habs53]

I'm pretty done worrying about toronto and the cap to be perfectly honest.

People said they couldn't afford john tavares. They did.

People said Matthews was going to be unaffordable. He isn't.

People said nylander wouldn't sign. He did.

People said they couldn't afford to pay their RFAs because of guys like marleau, zaitsev and kadri. They signed them, (minus marner) and traded away marleau, zaitsev and Kadri.

People said they would have a huge hole in the defense because of Gardiner leaving. They got barrie.

The sky isn't failing in leaf land.

shy is not falling and they are very overrated

 

[Altair]

shy is not falling and they are very overrated

I think they are rated exactly where they should be. Good team, not great team, a notch below elite. Anywhere from 2nd to 4th in the Atlantic.

 

[MindzEye]

In all likelihood in a conservative estimate you will have 40 million tied up in four players (Mathews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander)

Cap will always be a concern when almost half your payroll is tied up in four players

The cap will always have to be actively managed. We will lose players like Kapanen and Johnsson when they reach UFA status.

But there is no cap mess. We had a crunch that required taking care of this summer and this summer alone.

Feel free to take a look for yourself https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

We've upgraded pretty much everywhere on the roster and have room to sort Mitch out when his old man and agent come to their senses. At an ~84 million dollar cap next year, assuming Mitch is in at 10 million, and Kerfoot at 3, we will have everyone important signed for 20-21 other than Barrie, Muzzin and Dermott and we'll have 21 million in cap to sign or replace them and fill in the roster with the same type of depth group we just brought in for dirt cheap (Spezza, Shore, Agostino, Gravel, etc)

Frankly, if you don't have cap problems to manage on an ongoing basis, you're not trying hard enough to win. The leafs will have issues to manage (Rielly is probably going to be a 10 million dollar hockey player in 3 years, Sandin looks like a pimp and RFA deals aren't what they used to be, etc), but they're good issues to manage.

 

[DonKay]

The cap will always have to be actively managed. We will lose players like Kapanen and Johnsson when they reach UFA status.

But there is no cap mess. We had a crunch that required taking care of this summer and this summer alone.

Feel free to take a look for yourself https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

We've upgraded pretty much everywhere on the roster and have room to sort Mitch out when his old man and agent come to their senses. At an ~84 million dollar cap next year, assuming Mitch is in at 10 million, and Kerfoot at 3, we will have everyone important signed for 20-21 other than Barrie, Muzzin and Dermott and we'll have 21 million in cap to sign or replace them and fill in the roster with the same type of depth group we just brought in for dirt cheap (Spezza, Shore, Agostino, Gravel, etc)

Frankly, if you don't have cap problems to manage on an ongoing basis, you're not trying hard enough to win. The leafs will have issues to manage (Rielly is probably going to be a 10 million dollar hockey player in 3 years, Sandin looks like a pimp and RFA deals aren't what they used to be, etc), but they're good issues to manage.

Dubas definitely did a good job in the short term.

As you said cap management will always be a delicate task when you have talent.

Are you a better team after all this? I would say close enough as your core is intact.

As much as I like Barrie as a Hab fan I am so glad that Kadri is gone and that may be the one guy I think you guys will realize the value he brings to your lineup.

With all due respect to Kerfoot and Spezza they cannot play like Kadri does

 

[Altair]

Dubas definitely did a good job in the short term.

As you said cap management will always be a delicate task when you have talent.

Are you a better team after all this? I would say close enough as your core is intact.

As much as I like Barrie as a Hab fan I am so glad that Kadri is gone and that may be the one guy I think you guys will realize the value he brings to your lineup.

With all due respect to Kerfoot and Spezza they cannot play like Kadri does

we lost shaw.

Can't exactly be talking.

 

[Sal_Butera]

Mirtle: The Maple Leafs paid a big price to escape cap hell and improve their blue line. Was it worth it?

https://theathletic.com/1058740/201...l-and-improve-their-blueline-was-it-worth-it/

 

[DonKay]

we lost shaw.

Can't exactly be talking.

Right time to trade Shaw

The guy is a concussion away from missing half a year and he is constantly injured.

I love Shaw but he's way too injury prone, it was the time to trade him

 

[JackBurton]

In all likelihood in a conservative estimate you will have 40 million tied up in four players (Mathews, Tavares, Marner, Nylander)

Cap will always be a concern when almost half your payroll is tied up in four players

I hate this criticism against the Leafs. Leafs have their $ tied up to star or very talented players. Have you look at the cap of other teams? There are so many 1 time 50 point players making 6 million+. Teams like Flyers and Islanders are truly screwed having such massive contracts on average players. The Isles have 18.5 million tied to Eberle, Nelson and Lee. You think that's good? There is 1 60 point season between the 3 of them and all are late 20's. For comparison William Nylander has 2 in 2 full seasons. But oh my god he got 6.9!

Pay your star players and don't overpay for supporting talent like what occurred with countless teams yesterday.

There is such a focus on Leafs cap no oner looks around the NHL at other teams.

 

[JackBurton]

After the summer Leafs are back to cap mess again

Muzzin and these 2 are UFA`s and you have to ink Freddie as well

They cant make it work , conservatively you need about 13-14 mil to keep them

Kadri had to go for controllable assets not another pending UFA

Because you assume every single leaf free agent can't be afforded and will leave. How have those predictions worked for you thus far? It's becoming a very lazy argument that clearly is not working. Leafs moved their 2 worst contracts this summer and most thought it was not possible and everyone that truly want is and will be kept. Marner will sign.

 

[JackBurton]

There isnt a hope in hell your retaining these 3 next summer if they play well . Ceci is a UFA as well .

Freddie is going to command around 8 as he cant be a lame duck goalie heading into last year , numbers dont work .

So you have the cap numbers for 2 years from now?

 

[DonKay]

I hate this criticism against the Leafs. Leafs have their $ tied up to star or very talented players. Have you look at the cap of other teams? There are so many 1 time 50 point players making 6 million+. Teams like Flyers and Islanders are truly screwed having such massive contracts on average players. The Isles have 18.5 million tied to Eberle, Nelson and Lee. You think that's good? There is 1 60 point season between the 3 of them and all are late 20's. For comparison William Nylander has 2 in 2 full seasons. But oh my god he got 6.9!

Pay your star players and don't overpay for supporting talent like what occurred with countless teams yesterday.

There is such a focus on Leafs cap no oner looks around the NHL at other teams.

Reality is that you are right to a certain extent as long as your depth players aren't AHL caliber or retirement ready to cater to the 40 million being invested in 4 players.

simple math doesn't leave much room to invest in the 19 remaining players to sign.

But I digress, Dubas did a nice job this summer

 

[DonKay]

So you have the cap numbers for 2 years from now?

Relying on a cap number is a recipe for disaster, just ask Vegas who probably expected the cap to be close to 85 mil this year

 

[JackBurton]

Relying on a cap number is a recipe for disaster, just ask Vegas who probably expected the cap to be close to 85 mil this year

I do think Seattle expansion will see the cap rise more than it has since Vegas expansion.