2021 Hurricanes Miscellaneous Thread

[cmaleski2]

Ned and Bean to taxi squad today for cap savings. Lorentz would have to clear waivers now to return to the taxi squad so we will see if the Canes risk that down the road ( you would think he would clear but who knows).

We ended up going for and getting 2 end zones tickets for all 20 games. Fam is going to take turns going but are all pretty excited. There are going to be very few tickets left for individual games ( possibly just a few upper level) for STMs to pick at tomorrow. The secondary market will be hopping....

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Going to 1 game with a friend 2 weeks after my second shot.

 

[cmaleski2]

There ARE single games tickets available. Some are lower level end zone if your 'pod' is the correct size (aka 4 seats). But its not very many. Most are upper level in the corners.

 

[andyt]

LeBrun addresses Hamilton contract talks at the top of his column today. He says the two sides shared there positions last month and it’s been quiet since. He thinks Hamilton’s side might have started at Pietrangelo’s $8.8 AAV shooting for $8+ million, and the Canes at Krug’s $6.5 million AAV.

LeBrun: Hurricanes' contract talks with Dougie Hamilton, John Tortorella's Blue Jackets future

Hamilton finally found a home with the Hurricanes but there should be a sizeable market for him as a free agent.

theathletic.com

 

[ThinIce]

Hamilton's current performance doesn't merit the big bucks his agent is hoping for. I'm sure it will improve (how could it not get better?), but it may likely never reach the level of last year's performance.

 

[cmaleski2]

Dougie isn't getting $8.8 million from anyone. $8 million is the absolute max and even that on anything beyond 4 or 5 years is a bit nuts given how he has been playing this year.

Saying that though, yes, he hasn't been great this year. I'm not a analytics numbers guy, so I don't know how those look this season so far but in the past those have made Dougie look like one of the best Dmen in the league.

I do know that just his counting numbers:

22 Games 1 Goal 13 Assists +8

Might not look as spectacular as last season, especially that goal number. However, those numbers look like this averaged out for a full 82 game season:

82 Games 4 Goals 48 Assists +30

48 assists would beat Dougie's best assist season by 11. 52 points would be a career high. +30 is, well, awesome (if you believe at all in that stat).

Certainly we should expect that Dougie's goals number should return to something close to his average and his assists numbers will come down when his own shots start going in more.

Any chance that a deal gets done is going to require some reality on both sides:

* Dougie Hamilton is not as valuable or as good as Alex Pietrangelo is
* Dougie Hamilton is a bit more valuable and better than Torey Krug is (at least in my opinion)

That puts the number at $7-7.5 million. One thing I think we can say we know about the Canes is that they are not going to be willing to overpay Dougie Hamilton and will have absolutely no hesitation to walk away from him if his contract demands are too far above what they are willing to pay. What Dougie's priorities are will be a factor here. If he has instructed his agent to get top dollar first and foremost, well, then he is likely going to end up a UFA for a period of time (which solves one concern for the Canes, they will be able to protect Slavin, Pesce and Bean in the expansion draft). If he has prioritized staying in Carolina, he's going to likely have to take a bit less money to make that happen because the Canes are perfectly willing to walk away from anyone.

I fully expect Dougie to remain unsigned until at least UFA day. IF/when that happens, that does not mean he will not re-sign with the Canes. And as we have discussed, that actually might benefit the Canes in the long run as far as having to expose Jake Bean or not.

 

[Tryamw]

Odd fact: Inthe third period we are number 2 in GA with 31 Detroit is number 1 at 35. Over 50% of our GA are third period. Speaks to tired legs

 

[HNIM]

From what I have seen the last few games, risking a delay in re-signing Dougie until after the expansion draft to protect Bean could be worth it. The kid's improving regularly.

 

[CanadaCanes]

Dougie isn't getting $8.8 million from anyone. $8 million is the absolute max and even that on anything beyond 4 or 5 years is a bit nuts given how he has been playing this year.

Saying that though, yes, he hasn't been great this year. I'm not a analytics numbers guy, so I don't know how those look this season so far but in the past those have made Dougie look like one of the best Dmen in the league.

I do know that just his counting numbers:

22 Games 1 Goal 13 Assists +8

Might not look as spectacular as last season, especially that goal number. However, those numbers look like this averaged out for a full 82 game season:

82 Games 4 Goals 48 Assists +30

48 assists would beat Dougie's best assist season by 11. 52 points would be a career high. +30 is, well, awesome (if you believe at all in that stat).

Certainly we should expect that Dougie's goals number should return to something close to his average and his assists numbers will come down when his own shots start going in more.

Any chance that a deal gets done is going to require some reality on both sides:

* Dougie Hamilton is not as valuable or as good as Alex Pietrangelo is
* Dougie Hamilton is a bit more valuable and better than Torey Krug is (at least in my opinion)

That puts the number at $7-7.5 million. One thing I think we can say we know about the Canes is that they are not going to be willing to overpay Dougie Hamilton and will have absolutely no hesitation to walk away from him if his contract demands are too far above what they are willing to pay. What Dougie's priorities are will be a factor here. If he has instructed his agent to get top dollar first and foremost, well, then he is likely going to end up a UFA for a period of time (which solves one concern for the Canes, they will be able to protect Slavin, Pesce and Bean in the expansion draft). If he has prioritized staying in Carolina, he's going to likely have to take a bit less money to make that happen because the Canes are perfectly willing to walk away from anyone.

I fully expect Dougie to remain unsigned until at least UFA day. IF/when that happens, that does not mean he will not re-sign with the Canes. And as we have discussed, that actually might benefit the Canes in the long run as far as having to expose Jake Bean or not.

I think that analysis is spot on! Dougie at the Krug number makes sense, Dougie at anything close to Pietrangelo is a pipe dream. And I also agree completely that Dundon and the Canes are not afraid to walk away from Dougie completely if the contract demands are not in line with what the Canes think he is worth, there will be no overpay and there certainly will not be any tears shed if they lose him for nothing because he currently has more value to be part of the Canes for the full year and a Cup run than to just trade him away at the deadline. The one thing that is puzzling about Dougie this year is the constant defensive miscues and lapses in judgment in his own zone...he just has made far too many gaffes in his own zone that an experienced NHL blueliner at this stage of his career should not make, the offense is still there for the most part, but he really has been exposed more than ever in his own zone, at least more than I can ever recall.

 

[jeffbear]

Look ... Dougie's agent isn't doing his job if he's not starting his ask at Pietrangelo's number, and whoever is negotiating for Waddell isn't doing his job if he's not starting the offer at Krug's number. You don't need Pierre LeBrun to read those tea leaves, and yeah ... it also probably makes sense to let the season play out before getting too far along in negotiations. Dougie has been through some not great contract talks before, and has to be a bit shy about digging in while there are games to be played. From Carolina's perspective if the process is indeed playing out around 100% predictable norms, then waiting to wrap it up is no biggie.

 

[Tryamw]

I think that analysis is spot on! Dougie at the Krug number makes sense, Dougie at anything close to Pietrangelo is a pipe dream. And I also agree completely that Dundon and the Canes are not afraid to walk away from Dougie completely if the contract demands are not in line with what the Canes think he is worth, there will be no overpay and there certainly will not be any tears shed if they lose him for nothing because he currently has more value to be part of the Canes for the full year and a Cup run than to just trade him away at the deadline. The one thing that is puzzling about Dougie this year is the constant defensive miscues and lapses in judgment in his own zone...he just has made far too many gaffes in his own zone that an experienced NHL blueliner at this stage of his career should not make, the offense is still there for the most part, but he really has been exposed more than ever in his own zone, at least more than I can ever recall.

Honestly some of that looks like he expects to be able to skate well enough away from competitors and his body isn't keeping up. Most of that to me. might be related to the injury nothing integral but more it's just not quite preforming like he likes.. (Kind of like Trocheck) I think it'll get better next year but yeah the front office isn't unwilling to walk away if they don't like your number..

 

[cmon3]

I think Dougie being exposed defensively more is due to Slavin not being up to his normal level. 74 is looking better than when first back from Covid but he’s not the automatic mistake eraser we’re used to. you pretty much needed a 3 on 1 to have a good shot at a scoring chance.

Dougie has often been suspect defensively and when subjected to a physical forecheck. He’s getting loads of that with this schedule structure and I expect other teams are seeing that it works against him.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nino fined 5k for hit on goalie last night. That's maximum allowed fine.

 

[Tryamw]

Nino fined 5k for hit on goalie last night. That's maximum allowed fine.

Nino Niederreiter fined for interference on Juuse Saros - TSN.ca

Carolina forward Nino Niederreiter was fined $5,000 by the NHL on Wednesday for interfering with Nashville goaltender Juuse Saros, the maximum allowable under the collective bargaining agreement.

www.tsn.ca

(Just a news post covering this)

 

[HNIM]

I was just checking the schedule on the Canes website and noticed they were showing ticket availability for upcoming games. Turns out they have some 300 level seats on general sale in groups of 2 or 4. $75 each.

The resale market is looking a touch pricey.

 

[HurryCanes]

I was just checking the schedule on the Canes website and noticed they were showing ticket availability for upcoming games. Turns out they have some 300 level seats on general sale in groups of 2 or 4. $75 each.

The resale market is looking a touch pricey.

If the canes continue to win and the fan numbers don’t increase it’s gonna get pricey as more vaccines are rolled out. Maybe the govinator will increase numbers before too long

 

[Tryamw]

I suspect he will if the number keep improving.. along with Vaccine numbers.

 

[andyt]

I suspect he will if the number keep improving.. along with Vaccine numbers.

The J&J rollout will be hindered by production delays. The shipments they got yesterday will probably be it for a few weeks as they scale up production. The agreement with Merck will help too, they’ll be producing some in Wilson.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Merck vaccine failed in clinical trials which is why they can make the J&J vaccine.

 

[HeyKurtz]

I just want to say that we're almost halfway through the season and we're number 3 in the league in points and number 5 in the league in points percentage, and that's after an early season player COVID outbreak and being without our #1 goaltender for the last month.

These are good times.