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2022-2023 NHL Misc. Thread

I think the issue is that he has arbitration rights. So if they qualified him, then he could go to arbitration, get a nice award. Although the team could then walk away from the award, that wouldn't happen until well after free agency starts, which would throw a cloud over the player and be extremely unfair to him. Maybe that's not it at all, but that's the only way I could rationalize it.
Good point on the arbitration rights, he's a good, young player and a big center so he should do fine in unrestricted free agency. If I was a Hawks fan I would be fit to be tied right about now, just a brutal bare bones liquidation by all accounts.
 
Mark Lazerus from The Athletic says that the Blackhawks will not extend a QO to Dylan Strome. His QO would have been $3.6 million. He averaged nearly a point per game centering Kane and DeBrincat in the 2nd half of the season.

There was no market for his rights?
I have a hard time believing that Chicago couldn't get ANYTHING for Strome's rights. It probably doesn't help that the idiots made it very public that they didn't plan to qualify him (even before the draft this was widely known), thus encouraging interested parties to just wait and take a swing for free. This was nothing short of management malpractice. I don't care how much you hate the guy, you have to get SOMETHING for him ... even if it's the equivalent of Cliff Pu and a pick
 
I think the issue is that he has arbitration rights. So if they qualified him, then he could go to arbitration, get a nice award. Although the team could then walk away from the award, that wouldn't happen until well after free agency starts, which would throw a cloud over the player and be extremely unfair to him. Maybe that's not it at all, but that's the only way I could rationalize it.
I mean, yes ... but competent clubs manage to navigate such issues on the regular without bailing on marketable players. You can't just go "it's too hard" and bail. That's why general managers get actual paychecks. This is not a fantasy league.
 
I mean, yes ... but competent clubs manage to navigate such issues on the regular without bailing on marketable players. You can't just go "it's too hard" and bail. That's why general managers get actual paychecks. This is not a fantasy league.
Georgiev had arbitration rights too and the Rangers managed to get 3 picks for him. It’s early, but is Davidson already showing himself to be in over his head? Did he get back enough value for DeBrincat?
 
Georgiev had arbitration rights too and the Rangers managed to get 3 picks for him. It’s early, but is Davidson already showing himself to be in over his head? Did he get back enough value for DeBrincat?
Not even close on the Cat return...you would think the price point on a young scorer like De Brincat would start at a lower end first round pick and a high end prospect along with another pick or player. Then you turn around and give up on Dach at the tender age of 22 and piss off Kane and Toews in the process who are already likely pleading to be moved out soon.
 
Georgiev had arbitration rights too and the Rangers managed to get 3 picks for him. It’s early, but is Davidson already showing himself to be in over his head? Did he get back enough value for DeBrincat?
Yes. No. In that order.

This guy is clearly miles over his head and also got nowhere near the value he should have gotten for a 24 year old 40 goal scorer. And look, there was obvious friction with Strome over the years. I 100% get wanting to bail on him if you're Chicago. But DeBrincat and Dach both wanted to stay for the rebuild. Not only are they both young enough to come out the other side with sale-able skills, you have to pay SOMEBODY and sell some tickets while you're tanking. Get a crappy goalie or three, make sure you only have one or two guys who can score and scrape up the worst bottom two defense pairs you can find ... tanking isn't this hard.

Maybe there's somebody named Wirtz making these calls instead of somebody named Davidson. Who knows? Since they won their Cups, that franchise has been a freaking dumpster fire of incompetent management.
 
Not even close on the Cat return...you would think the price point on a young scorer like De Brincat would start at a lower end first round pick and a high end prospect along with another pick or player. Then you turn around and give up on Dach at the tender age of 22 and piss off Kane and Toews in the process who are already likely pleading to be moved out soon.
Oh man, I forgot about Dach…
 
and piss off Kane and Toews in the process who are already likely pleading to be moved out soon.
I do take issue with that last part. They NEED Kane and Toews out of the way, and if pissing them off is what it takes then they need to get on with it. There's easier ways to do that than getting fleeced on a trade that costs you your best player though.
 
Not even close on the Cat return...you would think the price point on a young scorer like De Brincat would start at a lower end first round pick and a high end prospect along with another pick or player. Then you turn around and give up on Dach at the tender age of 22 and piss off Kane and Toews in the process who are already likely pleading to be moved out soon.
They're purposefully trying to piss off Kane and Toews though. They want them to waive so they're driving the team into the ground in hopes of a rebuild around Bedard.

They weren't pleading to leave, the Blackhawks were doing the pleading. They said no so they scorched earth it. That club won't be competitive for 4-5 years.
 
They're purposefully trying to piss off Kane and Toews though. They want them to waive so they're driving the team into the ground in hopes of a rebuild around Bedard.

They weren't pleading to leave, the Blackhawks were doing the pleading. They said no so they scorched earth it. That club won't be competitive for 4-5 years.
So what is Kane worth on the open market in a trade for most teams vs what Kyle Davidson likely gets fleeced on? You have already shipped out DeBrincat and Dach, two solid young players for shitty returns and you pretty much tossed Dylan Strome in the trash...
 
I'm with you Habsy. All of the moves they have made make it very obvious they are in full tank mode. Kane and Toews refusing to leave now impacts that plan.

Both players might care more about their family situations and not want to disrupt that. That is their right under their current contracts, but boy its going to be UGLY in Chicago.
 
So what is Kane worth on the open market in a trade for most teams vs what Kyle Davidson likely gets fleeced on? You have already shipped out DeBrincat and Dach, two solid young players for shitty returns and you pretty much tossed Dylan Strome in the trash.
If Chicago retains half of Kane's cap hit and salary and makes his signing bonus payment, he's a $5.25 cap hit player with a $1.45 million salary before escrow.

That would be 1st round pick worthy at a trade deadline. It might be easier to make that deal at the trade deadline.
 
I'm with you Habsy. All of the moves they have made make it very obvious they are in full tank mode. Kane and Toews refusing to leave now impacts that plan.

Both players might care more about their family situations and not want to disrupt that. That is their right under their current contracts, but boy its going to be UGLY in Chicago.
They only have 1 more year before they hit the open market. Could be lots of interested bidders at the trade deadline. Of course, both could refuse to waive their NMC as a final FU to Davidson.
 
The Avs will not extend a QO to Nicolas Aube-Kubel, probably in retribution for dropping the Cup. He just had his day with it last week, after the league had it repaired in Montreal during the draft. He’s coming off a 2 year/$2.15 million contract.
 
Heck if you can get Arizona involved, have Chicago pay his signing bonus and double retain Kane, he's a $2.625 million cap hit and $725k salary for the team that gets him. Just about every contending team could fit Kane in. If you are one of those team 'making a run', there are definitely ways to pull this off if teams are so inclined and Kane would waive.
 
Note that I'm not even talking about Toews. He is a much harder sell given the state of his game. He would be a better trade deadline pickup as a 3rd line center than a player a contender would want to trade assets now to acquire.
 
Heck if you can get Arizona involved, have Chicago pay his signing bonus and double retain Kane, he's a $2.625 million cap hit and $725k salary for the team that gets him. Just about every contending team could fit Kane in. If you are one of those team 'making a run', there are definitely ways to pull this off if teams are so inclined and Kane would waive.
Isn't Kane exactly the type of high end goal scoring sniper the Canes need and were lacking last season???
 
Yep, Patrick Kane would be a great add for the Canes and every other contender. He would upgrade our PP tremendously.

If you believe the Canes kick the tires on everything, seeing if there is a way to add Patrick Kane should be on that list.
 
Note that I'm not even talking about Toews. He is a much harder sell given the state of his game. He would be a better trade deadline pickup as a 3rd line center than a player a contender would want to trade assets now to acquire.
Toews had slowed down to meh before he got sidelined for health issues and came back a shell of even that version of himself. He's a below replacement player. They either need an older GM with nostalgia problems or a miracle to get out whatever's left of that contract. Keeping him won't impact the tank job, other than to help it.

Kane ... they need to move. He's still good. And yeah, he fits Carolina's need profile. I can't stand the guy, but there's no denying that he can still play. He's not the sniper he used to be, but he's still a production machine.
 
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