The training camp roster is set. The Canes are bringing 42 skaters and 5 goalies.
2023-24 Canes Misc Thread
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Elliotte Friedman hits on the Canes AHL problem in his 32 Thoughts column.
So the Canes will address the AHL BOG in October. If there are some on the AHL BOG opposed to an NHL/AHL imbalance, why the [Polar’s Word] did they allow the Wolves to go independent? The AHL has allowed itself to be put between a rock and a hard place. If the Canes are allowed to either start a new AHL franchise or buy an existing franchise and kick the current affiliation to the curb, and the AHL is adamantly opposed to an imbalance, maybe the solution is to point the Wolves to the door and give them the name of the CHL Commish.
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So the Canes will address the AHL BOG in October. If there are some on the AHL BOG opposed to an NHL/AHL imbalance, why the [Polar’s Word] did they allow the Wolves to go independent? The AHL has allowed itself to be put between a rock and a hard place. If the Canes are allowed to either start a new AHL franchise or buy an existing franchise and kick the current affiliation to the curb, and the AHL is adamantly opposed to an imbalance, maybe the solution is to point the Wolves to the door and give them the name of the CHL Commish.
32 Thoughts: What's next for the Blue Jackets?
In the wake of Mike Babcock resigning before training camp even opened, how will the Blue Jackets players -- and their owner -- react in such an important season?
The training camp groups are set. Team C1 is last year’s regulars with TDA, Bunting and Lemieux. Freddie and Raanta are the goalies. Team C2 is all the PTO guys and what would constitute the AHL roster and those headed back to juniors. It does include Suzuki and Ponomarov, Drury is skating with the NHL group.
Pucking Lamplighter
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As of tomorrow, hopefully, we'll have hockey until late June! WOO- WOOO- WOOoo!
Jim
Jim
Preseason home games on Tuesday and Wednesday. And Wednesday is a “freebie”, pay $10 for parking as a donation to the Foundation.
Whoever is out there campaigning for Suzuki and Ponomarov online (and it seems to be gaining some momentum) needs to knock it off. I'm not even sure Drury is making this team, much less guys with next to no NHL experience. I mean, never say never but it would be the longest of shots for either of those guys to make the big club this year.
I don't have an opinion in this, but who do you think will be our 4th line this year Jeffbear?
cmaleski2
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Elliott Friedman indicated in his 32 thoughts that the Canes are, at least at this stage, expected to simply go into the season with all 7 of our primary Dmen. He especially highlighted Pesce, who the Canes gave permission to talk to a few teams in the offseason, but are now expecting to just play out the season with as a pending UFA (keeping open the possibility of an extension).
I don't know if the same thing will be true at forward where we have 7 top 6 forwards at the moment. Injuries might be an unfortunate way to shake this all out, but if we enter the season with:
Bunting-Aho-Jarvis
Svech-KK-Necas
Fast-Staal-Martinook
Turbo-a center-Noesen
Lemieux
Slavin-Burns
Skjei-Pesce
Orlov-Chatfield
TDA
Freddie
Raanta
Kochetkov
It's going to be interesting to watch how the coaching staff manages that level of depth, especially on the blueline. I can envision us going with 7 Dmen some nights if all of our Dmen are healthy. As much as we are looking for Ponomarev or Drury or Suzuki to grab that 4th line center role, until the Canes indicate otherwise, I could see us playing 7 Dmen and leaving that 4th line with Aho, KK and Necas rotating through that line at center. Barring a trade of Teravainen, I think its far more likely that none of Drury, Ponomarev or Suzuki make the team and we go without a 4th line center, keep only 12 forwards on the roster, and only play 11 of them many nights.
Depth is good of course, but navigating this will be interesting.
I don't know if the same thing will be true at forward where we have 7 top 6 forwards at the moment. Injuries might be an unfortunate way to shake this all out, but if we enter the season with:
Bunting-Aho-Jarvis
Svech-KK-Necas
Fast-Staal-Martinook
Turbo-a center-Noesen
Lemieux
Slavin-Burns
Skjei-Pesce
Orlov-Chatfield
TDA
Freddie
Raanta
Kochetkov
It's going to be interesting to watch how the coaching staff manages that level of depth, especially on the blueline. I can envision us going with 7 Dmen some nights if all of our Dmen are healthy. As much as we are looking for Ponomarev or Drury or Suzuki to grab that 4th line center role, until the Canes indicate otherwise, I could see us playing 7 Dmen and leaving that 4th line with Aho, KK and Necas rotating through that line at center. Barring a trade of Teravainen, I think its far more likely that none of Drury, Ponomarev or Suzuki make the team and we go without a 4th line center, keep only 12 forwards on the roster, and only play 11 of them many nights.
Depth is good of course, but navigating this will be interesting.
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Here are the lines and pairings from the first drill. Lemieux isn’t listed.
Bunting-Aho-Jarvis
Svechnikov-Kotkaniemi-Necas
Martinook-Staal-Teravainen
Noesen-Drury-Fast
Slavin-Burns
Skjei-Pesce
Orlov-DeAngelo
Coghlan-Chatfield
Edit: while we have a surplus of top 6 forwards and dmen, we don’t have a surplus of centers. Unless Necas gets moved off the wing, we have 3. Someone has to center the 4th line and Noesen, Fast or Lemieux aren’t it. You know how much RBA values puck possession, between them in the limited time in the circle, they’ve won 266 of 687 faceoffs for a gaudy 38.7 win %. That won’t cut it in the system. So Drury or Ponomarov are probably going to make the team.
Edit 2: Svech is still in a yellow jersey.
Bunting-Aho-Jarvis
Svechnikov-Kotkaniemi-Necas
Martinook-Staal-Teravainen
Noesen-Drury-Fast
Slavin-Burns
Skjei-Pesce
Orlov-DeAngelo
Coghlan-Chatfield
Edit: while we have a surplus of top 6 forwards and dmen, we don’t have a surplus of centers. Unless Necas gets moved off the wing, we have 3. Someone has to center the 4th line and Noesen, Fast or Lemieux aren’t it. You know how much RBA values puck possession, between them in the limited time in the circle, they’ve won 266 of 687 faceoffs for a gaudy 38.7 win %. That won’t cut it in the system. So Drury or Ponomarov are probably going to make the team.
Edit 2: Svech is still in a yellow jersey.
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Early PP practice. I’m not sure I like the mix, PP1 is all perimeter guys, although Jarvis will work down low, he doesn’t camp in front of the goalie. The 2 guys were counting on for net front are both on PP2.
PP1: Aho, Jarvis, and Svechnikov with Burns and DeAngelo
PP2: Bunting, Necas, Noesen, and Teravainen with Orlov
PP1: Aho, Jarvis, and Svechnikov with Burns and DeAngelo
PP2: Bunting, Necas, Noesen, and Teravainen with Orlov
I think there's every possibility that they dress 7 D and double shift centers on the 4th line. If that ends up happening then none of the young guys will end up in the rotation although I could see Drury hanging around as an extra. If he doesn't make the big club, he 100% is going to ask to be traded again. I'd be fine with that, for the record. I think he's a perfectly OK depth center and nothing more.
I'd prefer the traditional 12/6/1 setup, but the roster is VERY weird right now.
It's my understanding that they're going to limit his contact early in camp, so that's not a surprise. It's very important that Svech be ready for the games that actually count and not take any extra hits until that knee is 100%
cmaleski2
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If we are going to go 2 Dmen on PP1, which I could be ok with if that actually really works for us, then SOMEONE needs to be "that guy" in front of the net. As you noted, the 2 players who are most likely "that guy" are Bunting and Noesen. So you need one of them out there on PP1 if we are going with 2 Dmen.
We didn't really have a lot of discussion on the possibility that Chatfield simply get's dropped to the #7 spot and Orlov/TDA just becomes a regular thing. That could happen I suppose, with Chatfield cycling in as needed anywhere in the D lineup (or again, being in the lineup on nights we play 7 Dmen). Really would stink for Chatfield, he absolutely earned the #5/6 Dman role last year with his play.
I suppose over the next 2 weeks, as TDA mentioned in his interviews after being traded, Chatfield could earn that spot again and leave TDA the 7th Dman. The Canes likely told TDA he would have to earn his spot in the lineup, which is why he made those comments in his media interviews about the players sorting out the depth situation on the ice. Again, however this plays out, having that much depth is a good thing.
If we really keep all these top Dmen, certainly the hope is that our depth will just overwhelm our opponents. Trying to get your top line out there against our bottom pair? Yeah, sorry, there is no real bottom pair to go after. Sure you probably can try to pick on TDA, but Orlov is good enough to help protect TDA AND moves the puck well enough that it would create a pretty darn dangerous breakout pair on the blueline.
We didn't really have a lot of discussion on the possibility that Chatfield simply get's dropped to the #7 spot and Orlov/TDA just becomes a regular thing. That could happen I suppose, with Chatfield cycling in as needed anywhere in the D lineup (or again, being in the lineup on nights we play 7 Dmen). Really would stink for Chatfield, he absolutely earned the #5/6 Dman role last year with his play.
I suppose over the next 2 weeks, as TDA mentioned in his interviews after being traded, Chatfield could earn that spot again and leave TDA the 7th Dman. The Canes likely told TDA he would have to earn his spot in the lineup, which is why he made those comments in his media interviews about the players sorting out the depth situation on the ice. Again, however this plays out, having that much depth is a good thing.
If we really keep all these top Dmen, certainly the hope is that our depth will just overwhelm our opponents. Trying to get your top line out there against our bottom pair? Yeah, sorry, there is no real bottom pair to go after. Sure you probably can try to pick on TDA, but Orlov is good enough to help protect TDA AND moves the puck well enough that it would create a pretty darn dangerous breakout pair on the blueline.
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NoMich
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And if that means he can't play for reals until November, I'm OK with that. I want him playing in late June and have that knee still strong enough to lift the Cup waaaay over his head
Abso-freaking-lutely. There's a surplus of Top 6 options as it is. If they want to ease him in, then that's perfectly fine.
OK ... so the way I see it is this ... DeAngelo is this year's version of Coghlan. And if he can't carry his own weight in the D zone any better that Coghlan did, then perhaps he gets the same usage. Remember ... early on they had clearly prepped in camp for Coghlan to play the long range shooter role both on the half wall of a PP unit and especially on the perimeter of the 5 on 3 setup ... something Carolina has struggled with for Brind'Amour's entire tenure, with one brief exception. The half a season when DeAngelo was dialed in and cooking before he got hurt, lost his edge and then his general composure and then eventually became a liability in 21-22.
Now, do you work that specialist in as a 7th D or do you roll the dice that Orlov or somebody else can carry his water in the D zone? I suspect it might be the work of camp and the first 10-15 games to figure that out, because that's how it went with Coghlan last year. By the quarter pole he was largely buried in the press box when everyone was healthy. I have no idea how this will play out, because DeAngelo is so mercurial that it's impossible to judge, frankly. I do NOT see Brindy mucking around with his top 2 D pairings for this little experiment. Since it looks like Pesce is going to play out the string on his contract, I'm thinking Brindy gets super pragmatic and gets the most he can out of those top two pairings and does his tinkering on the 3rd unit ... with the pressure of exposure dialed all the way to simmer.
BTW ... that uncertainty probably gets Drury his roster spot because otherwise they'd be riffing at center and Brind'Amour hasn't been a big fan of that in the past. Jack's nothing more than OK, but he's reliably OK.
cmaleski2
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I'm basically assuming that Caleb Jones easily locks up the #8 spot. Whether or not we actually carry 8 Dmen on the NHL roster remains to be seen.
If we are going to keep 13 forwards:
Bunting, Aho, Jarvis, Svech, KK, Necas, Fast, Staal, Martinook, Teravainen, Noesen, Lemieux, Center TBD
If we decide to cart around 8 Dmen on the NHL roster, then we need to find an AHL home for Pyotr.
To me not carrying 3 NHL goalies is preferable. Pyotr needs to be playing somewhere and we shouldn't be messing around trying to rotate 3 goalies in the NHL. I don't think Caleb Jones would pass through waivers if it comes to that. There is room to carry 8 Dmen, possibly, as long as the Canes are planning to ship Pyotr off somewhere else to play.
If we are going to keep 13 forwards:
Bunting, Aho, Jarvis, Svech, KK, Necas, Fast, Staal, Martinook, Teravainen, Noesen, Lemieux, Center TBD
If we decide to cart around 8 Dmen on the NHL roster, then we need to find an AHL home for Pyotr.
To me not carrying 3 NHL goalies is preferable. Pyotr needs to be playing somewhere and we shouldn't be messing around trying to rotate 3 goalies in the NHL. I don't think Caleb Jones would pass through waivers if it comes to that. There is room to carry 8 Dmen, possibly, as long as the Canes are planning to ship Pyotr off somewhere else to play.
