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2024 NHL Playoffs Thread
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Sal_Butera
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Which Cdn team hasn’t been able to hold on to their “great players”?
I can only think of Sens & Hossa post cap introduction and Cgy most recently w Tkachuk & Gaudreau - even Winter-peg had no issue re-upping Morrissey, Scheifele & Hellebuyck
Now attracting players via UFA or trade? That’s another matter, that issue applies to many US markets as well, but no doubt Cdn markets are at more of a disadvantage
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GrandWazoo
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Stop being delusional
Seravalli put it best ....find ways to work around it and get a better tax firm .
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The moment that Lindros refused to go to Quebec the genie was out of the bottle. It sealed the Nordiques' fate, not because Lindros was so great but because he was permitted to get away with not reporting to the team which had drafted him.
As for the Jets players you mentioned, none, with the possible exception of Hellebuyck, are "great". The Jets haven't had a great player since Selanne.
GrandWazoo
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I'm not saying it'a an impossible job, I'm saying that Canadian teams are at a massive disadvantage, and not one that a better tax firm can fix. Really? A better tax firm? Seriously? Denial is strong in this one.
What excuse do the Leafs have not to compete for cups
They shit money by the hour
They front load bonus money like nobody else , endorsements , etc ....
Maybe dont pay JT 11 mil and fuck up your cap for years and make fewer stupid deadline deals
Be proactive when these butterflies can`t win every year and dont wait until every player has his full NMC kick in
Canadian teams have a smaller margin for error and have to work harder and smarter others
However the advantage barrier compared to other sports is very very minimal
Sal_Butera
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Make Beliefs may “shit money by the hour” but like it or not they have to overpay Marner, Nylander and players in general to keep them as do other Cdn teams and all 32-teams have the same hard cap ceiling - but give them credit they used the heavy bonus contract option on Matthews starting his post ELC (2nd contract) and the present one.
I’ve stated it repeatedly, Cdn teams only significant advantage Is heavy bonus structured contracts for US resident players but that’s for a a very limited population of players, as it doesn’t apply to Cdn and Euro players
Nonsense
Marner`s camp wanted 8.8x 8 coming out ELC .... Leafs refused ...they would off had 2 extra years of service and then tell him to fuck off
If you dont sign JT 34 isnt getting 11 mil especially if you let Lou finish the negotiations
Ottawa a non preferred destination locked up all their kids ahead of time , I dont care if they are not competitive yet
Edmonton refused to pay Bouchard/ Nurse 6.5 mil as per reports and now will fuck em .
There is no excuse not to lock up your star core , your mistakes are overpaying around the edges , bad drafting and asset management
NHL is nowhere near a 2-3 tier system like soccer or MLB .
The bottom line is this ...the NHL has shifted from paying the stars earlier and no hometown discounts after ELC
Teams have to have a better handle of how player X affects player B etc....
Need to be ruthless and walk away or trade players ahead of time
Yes the no tax teams have an edge but its not the be all end all for winning
GrandWazoo
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There you go!
Disagree.
A large number of players have Canadian teams on their NTC. Most desirable free agents won't sign there, unless teams overpay. Canadian teams don't get hometown discounts, quite the opposite, they have to overpay to keep their players. In a league with a tight cap space where each teams try to maximize every single dollar spend, that means that Canadian teams get less bang for their buck overall, and have a smaller pool of players to choose from.
Rabid fan base and intense media scrutiny also often lead to players underperforming due to pressure and can influence management into bad decisions (ultimately that's management's fault, but other GMs don't have to deal with it).
When competing with 32 teams, every advantage and disadvantage can be significant.
That being said, I agree that Canadian teams have been mostly mismanaged and haven't been creative enough. There is no excuses for the combined poor drafting records of Canadian teams over the past 3 decades. Only Ottawa have managed to be consistently decent at drafting.
There you go
First of all the non tax teams can only do so much, you cant attract or get/retain all your players to go to your team with a hard cap
Teams like TB had to unload a second roster because of the cap and really didnt save much and not sure who would of pai a 10% premium to pay Chevy/Cirelli and others.
Who was paying Bobo 11-12 mil to go elsewhere ?
Alan C
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Wake up
GrandWazoo
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Really? You're going to use TB as an example? The team that got ALL their stars signed under 10M? The same year that Marner signed for 11M, Kucherov signed for 9.5M. 4 years later, Point also signs for 9.5. Vasi, best goalie in the league by far, also signs for 9.5 despite goalies making over 10M.
Habsy
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The Leafs, as I predicted at the time, would never win again once the hard cap was put into effect. They used to routinely go to the 3rd round back in the pre-cap era when you could just throw money at the problems your previous front office stupidity caused. But the cap forced them to be smart and they never have been good at anything but getting brainwashed dopes to pay top dollar for tickets and merch. So of course they've been shit ever since. Yes, they spend, yes they have star players, but they don't know how to manage their cap, they can't draft and they can't evaluate talent. So now they rely on crap, over the hill vets with name recognition to get them through, with predictable results.
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Nurse is making $9.2 mil per year. He's untradeable.
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Not that I'm going to be buying any but just for shits and giggles I decided to go online and see what SCF tickets for Games 3, 4, and 6 in Edmonton cost. By the time I got into the virtual "waiting room" there were over 12,000 people ahead of me in line. (There was a presale from 11am to noon which you needed a unique passcode to access. I jumped in line just to see and there were 5,000 people ahead of me then) Now it's almost a quarter past noon and the wait list has been whittled down from 12K to "only" 4,700. I'm almost positive that they'll all be gone long before I get a crack at them. Like I said, not looking to buy, but interested in what the prices are.
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Just got through at 12:17 and, predictably, they're sold out.
I'll wait and see what the secondary market is like.
I'll wait and see what the secondary market is like.
I mentioned on a previous post , why didnt the Leafs go 8x8.8 for Marner ?
So maybe locking up your stars cost an extra 6 mil , so what ....they all got locked up
Its what you do with the other 30-40 mil , draft and asset management that dictates your success .
Cmon the JT contract ( not the player ) fucked them up royally not taxes .
At what point does management say, " fuck its failure after failure when it matters maybe move a player before his NMC kicks in " .
Regimes are too fucken scared to change unless your a ruthless Majuri and get ahead of the game
They are good at kicking the fucken can down the road , nothing more .
worm
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600 for nosebleeds. Game 4