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Around the League: 2019-2020 Regular Season

That first rounder Dubas gave up to have Carolina take one year cap hit of 6.25 in the Marleau deal is a horrendous deal.

JackBurton said:
He's looking damn good. His drafting is looking brilliant as well as all the depth he built on the Marlies.
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Back to back years without a first rounder is hardly looking damn good.

The sad part is that all the leafs have to show for it is Muzzin.

Waddell made the deal of the summer if you ask me, landing a first rounder in a good draft for one year cap hit of Marleau 6.25

Bergevin should have been all over that and I would have even thrown back a 3rd rounder to get my hands on that 1st rounder.
 
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I think the front office was overwhelmed at that point crafting that impotent offer sheet that was matched by Carolina.
 
Exit716 said:
I think the front office was overwhelmed at that point crafting that impotent offer sheet that was matched by Carolina.
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Yeah seems like MB is not the greatest multitasker.

When this organization has Cap space and money to buyout Marleau for another first rounder its a no brainer.

Say by a miracle we were a playoff bound team and a buyer at the deadline that first rounder is a great chip to have also.
 
DonKay said:
That first rounder Dubas gave up to have Carolina take one year cap hit of 6.25 in the Marleau deal is a horrendous deal.



Back to back years without a first rounder is hardly looking damn good.

The sad part is that all the leafs have to show for it is Muzzin.

Waddell made the deal of the summer if you ask me, landing a first rounder in a good draft for one year cap hit of Marleau 6.25

Bergevin should have been all over that and I would have even thrown back a 3rd rounder to get my hands on that 1st rounder.
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What could he have done better? He did not sign that deal, Lou did. It was a terrible contract he was stuck with.

BTW, you may want to check what Nick Robertson is doing. brilliant 2nd round pick that's looking like a 1st rounder.
When teams start to contend they do move 1st rounders. It happens.

You're acting like that 1st rounder will be very high.

Get ready, because Leafs will be trading more 1st rounders.
 
DonKay said:
That first rounder Dubas gave up to have Carolina take one year cap hit of 6.25 in the Marleau deal is a horrendous deal.



Back to back years without a first rounder is hardly looking damn good.

The sad part is that all the leafs have to show for it is Muzzin.

Waddell made the deal of the summer if you ask me, landing a first rounder in a good draft for one year cap hit of Marleau 6.25

Bergevin should have been all over that and I would have even thrown back a 3rd rounder to get my hands on that 1st rounder.
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What would you have suggested he do with Marleau instead exactly?
 
If Dubas signed that Marleau deal it would be sure held against him. Same with Zaitsev.
Lou loves giving supporting guys huge. long-term deals.
 
JackBurton said:
What could he have done better? He did not sign that deal, Lou did. It was a terrible contract he was stuck with.

BTW, you may want to check what Nick Robertson is doing. brilliant 2nd round pick that's looking like a 1st rounder.
When teams start to contend they do move 1st rounders. It happens.

You're acting like that 1st rounder will be very high.

Get ready, because Leafs will be trading more 1st rounders.
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I don't get what that has to do with anything, you draft a gem in the 2nd round and it justifies just giving away a first rounder?

And now you're telling me it's not a big deal because the first rounder is gonna be a late one yet your bragging about the great 2nd rounder Robertson has become...seems like you can do pretty well with late 1st rounder and 2nd rounders.

To be honest, whatever I suggest could have been done will not sit well with you because you will defend Dubas but could Zaitsev have been traded without having to take back another 4 mil contract? Could Kappanen have been traded for picks or prospects rather than being resigned for 3 mil?

Maybe

Would another year of Marleau at 6.25 have been a liability? When you're dressing Spezza each night I wouldn't think so.

all I know is that it's an amazing deal for Carolina and as a Habs fan I would love to have that first rounder which is where my thought on this stems from.
 
DonKay said:
Yeah seems like MB is not the greatest multitasker.

When this organization has Cap space and money to buyout Marleau for another first rounder its a no brainer.

Say by a miracle we were a playoff bound team and a buyer at the deadline that first rounder is a great chip to have also.
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I don't think offer sheeting Ago and taking on Marleau's contract was compatible with each other. We didn't have the cap space to do both. I'd rather we had taken the Marleau route instead of making such a weak offer to Show but somehow to got lead to believe that it would work.
 
GrandWazoo said:
I don't think offer sheeting Ago and taking on Marleau's contract was compatible with each other. We didn't have the cap space to do both. I'd rather we had taken the Marleau route instead of making such a weak offer to Show but somehow to got lead to believe that it would work.
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That's what bugs me, another year of cap space that is not being leveraged into anything.

Heck would it have been a catastrophe to actually use Marleau on a fourth line?
 
DonKay said:
That's what bugs me, another year of cap space that is not being leveraged into anything.

Heck would it have been a catastrophe to actually use Marleau on a fourth line?
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Of course not but that decision had to be made before July 1st, however MB still had hopes to sign Aho and Gardiner.
 
GEEMAN said:
Drafting and development has been solid

Taken behind the barn on contacts and trades
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He pays for early 20's elite talent. He doesn't overpay any supporting players.
I routinely hear Auston Matthews is the Leafs worst contract. That's different from almost any other GM. Normally it's some 3-4+ per aging vet who's in the press box. Matthews is a 22 year-old franchise C on a 55 goal. 98 point pace.
 
DonKay said:
I don't get what that has to do with anything, you draft a gem in the 2nd round and it justifies just giving away a first rounder?

And now you're telling me it's not a big deal because the first rounder is gonna be a late one yet your bragging about the great 2nd rounder Robertson has become...seems like you can do pretty well with late 1st rounder and 2nd rounders.

To be honest, whatever I suggest could have been done will not sit well with you because you will defend Dubas but could Zaitsev have been traded without having to take back another 4 mil contract? Could Kappanen have been traded for picks or prospects rather than being resigned for 3 mil?

Maybe

Would another year of Marleau at 6.25 have been a liability? When you're dressing Spezza each night I wouldn't think so.

all I know is that it's an amazing deal for Carolina and as a Habs fan I would love to have that first rounder which is where my thought on this stems from.
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Huh? Spezza is signed for the NHL minimum and he's been very good. Marleau was 40 and 6.25 this season.
Spezza was a superb depth signing. Marleau's cap is a 5.4 more and you're going on about cap hits?

Another side issue is a certain coach horribly overplayed Marleau and would have continued to do so.

What should Dubas have done with Lou's horrible signing?

I don't think you're getting that the Leafs are not in a situation where they are going to draft high and need picks in the same way they use too.
 
DonKay said:
That's what bugs me, another year of cap space that is not being leveraged into anything.

Heck would it have been a catastrophe to actually use Marleau on a fourth line?
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You think Babcock would ever use him on the 4th line? Martleau REALLY hurt the Leafs last year in the regular season and playoffs. It was a terrible contract signed, but because of who did it, it's ignored.

And Dubas would get criticized a ton for a 4th liner earning that. Hell, he just got criticized by you for having Spezza at the minimum.
 
JackBurton said:
You think Babcock would ever use him on the 4th line? Martleau REALLY hurt the Leafs last year in the regular season and playoffs. It was a terrible contract signed, but because of who did it, it's ignored.

And Dubas would get criticized a ton for a 4th liner earning that. Hell, he just got criticized by you for having Spezza at the minimum.
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Well if you're putting that signing on Lou why would Dubas get criticized? To me he would be pretty much off the hook and a simple answer would be that we need to bite the bullet for another year rather than lose a 1st rounder.

You're not getting my point...of course no one wants to have to use Marleau but if the price to pay is giving up a 1st rounder instead of juts keeping him for another year that's a situation to study and possibly manage.

we're not talking about another 3 years of marleau, that's a whole different ball game and that may be worth giving up a 1st rounder to get that off the books.

The Spezza vs marleau comparison is a hockey comparison, forget cap implications for a second. Is Marleau that much worse than Spezza? Could you have just used marleau in the same capacity that Spezza is being used this year and save your 1st rounder?

Anyways, I guess Dubas most likely studied all options to not have to lose that 1st rounder and find a taker.

But to me it was a steep price to pay to get one year at 6.25 off your books
 
DonKay said:
You're not getting my point...of course no one wants to have to use Marleau but if the price to pay is giving up a 1st rounder instead of juts keeping him for another year that's a situation to study and possibly manage.

we're not talking about another 3 years of marleau, that's a whole different ball game and that may be worth giving up a 1st rounder to get that off the books.

The Spezza vs marleau comparison is a hockey comparison, forget cap implications for a second. Is Marleau that much worse than Spezza? Could you have just used marleau in the same capacity that Spezza is being used this year?

Anyways, I guess Dubas most likely studied all options to not have to lose that 1st rounder and find a taker.

But to me it was a steep price to pay to get one year at 6.25 off your books
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It is a steep price. Terrible contract. Thankfully there won't be ones like that again to aging supporting players.
You're underrating Spezza BTW. Excellent depth signing. His #'s are very good.

Leafs are in a good place. Fantastic depth on the marlies and great drafting. That Sandin trade down and draft looks brilliant.
 
JackBurton said:
You think Babcock would ever use him on the 4th line? Martleau REALLY hurt the Leafs last year in the regular season and playoffs. It was a terrible contract signed, but because of who did it, it's ignored.

And Dubas would get criticized a ton for a 4th liner earning that. Hell, he just got criticized by you for having Spezza at the minimum.
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Well if you're putting that signing on Lou why would Dubas get criticized? To me he would be pretty much off the hook and a simple answer would be that we need to bite the bullet for another year rather than lose a 1st rounder.
JackBurton said:
It is a steep price. Terrible contract. Thankfully there won't be ones like that again to aging supporting players.
You're underrating Spezza BTW. Excellent depth signing. His #'s are very good.

Leafs are in a good place. Fantastic depth on the marlies and great drafting. That Sandin trade down and draft looks brilliant.
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I just wish we could have been on that rather than Carolina....Bergevin is a fuckin moron for having zero vision to do something like that considering he has cap space.
 
DonKay said:
Well if you're putting that signing on Lou why would Dubas get criticized? To me he would be pretty much off the hook and a simple answer would be that we need to bite the bullet for another year rather than lose a 1st rounder.


I just wish we could have been on that rather than Carolina....Bergevin is a fuckin moron for having zero vision to do something like that considering he has cap space.
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Why risk losing a much better young player on a far better contract so you can keep Marleau and a late 1st rounder.

And having Marleau on the 4th line was impossible given who was coach. 1st rounders are like gold to the Habs, not to teams like the Leafs. Especially if you draft guys like Sandin and Robertson the last 2 years 29th and 53rd overall.
 
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