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Around the League: 2019-2020 Regular Season

The weird thing is, the Leafs were playing firewagon hockey the last couple of years under Babcock. So what does Dubas want ? 150 more goals and 160 more against? I think they should have kept the Babcock/Lou tandem for as long as possible. I think Lou would have figured this out better than Dubas.
 
JackBurton said:
Sorry but Tavares is worse than Zaitsev and Marleau?
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Marleau expires this year and Zaitsev is a decent D , 4 mill isnt killing you

How is an 11 mil JT going to look in a few years , the eye test tells me he is slower this year

I dont need 8 pages of analytics to tell me he is great

You arent getting 11 mil worth of one of the top paid players in the game
 
Ray Ferraro and Gord Miller said it best, they both agreed that Tavares was a luxury they didn’t need. When the Leafs signed him they had finished with the 3rd best offense in the NHL.

ask most people and they would agree that Kadri was one of the best #2 centers in the league coming off back to back 30 goal seasons and the all around game he brings.

hard to argue againts the point that the money spent on JT would have been better served elsewhere in the lineup.
 
It's a really easy time to talk about all of this but I'd think everyone would say they also aren't the 78 point pace team they've been for 23 games under Babcock. But hey, when you do that, there's definitely going to be criticism and second guessing.
 
Laying all this at JT’s feet is laughable.

Every team goes through the “time for a change” phase. Their core has been together long enough now that they needed the reins loosened.

Now if the suck under Keefe 3 months from now you’ll have to look at certain players.
 
Habsy said:
Laying all this at JT’s feet is laughable.

Every team goes through the “time for a change” phase. Their core has been together long enough now that they needed the reins loosened.

Now if the suck under Keefe 3 months from now you’ll have to look at certain players.
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i don’t think anyone is laying this on JT. He’s a good hockey player that any team would be happy to have.

i think at the moment people are debating the balance of the Leafs and whether or not having some cap flexibility would have been able to address some of those needs.
 
It's easy to say "signing JT was a mistake!!", but it's not that simple. How do you say no to a future HHOF #1 center in his prime who wants to come play for you and is (supposedly) taking less than market value to go there?

It's one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of things. If they didn't have Matthews already, he'd be a perfect fit and nobody would say a thing.
 
GEEMAN said:
Marleau expires this year and Zaitsev is a decent D , 4 mill isnt killing you

How is an 11 mil JT going to look in a few years , the eye test tells me he is slower this year

I dont need 8 pages of analytics to tell me he is great

You arent getting 11 mil worth of one of the top paid players in the game
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Marleau is 40. JT is 29.

Giving a past-his-prime 38 year-old 3 years at 6.25 per is crazy. It was so bad it took a 1st rounder to move that last year. And Zaitsev had no business getting 7 years after 1 year in the NHL. The cap hit isn't the issuethe length was.

JT is the best UFA signing by any team in years. Players like that are never available. Bergevin would have gladly given him 13 million per.
 
JackBurton said:
Marleau is 40. JT is 29.

Giving a past-his-prime 38 year-old 3 years at 6.25 per is crazy. It was so bad it took a 1st rounder to move that last year. And Zaitsev had no business getting 7 years after 1 year in the NHL. The cap hit isn't the issuethe length was.

JT is the best UFA signing by any team in years. Players like that are never available. Bergevin would have gladly given him 13 million per.
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Marleau wasnt your problem , the JT contract ( not the player) created your mess .

Your punk GM totally miscalculated the consequences of adding an 11 mil player ( 5th most important player on your team)

You paid him before you took care of your 2 most important forwards in the last 20 years .

He was a luxury you didnt need and its been a scramble job ever since trying to fix your roster

Giving up a first for Marleau was a joke by Dubas , make the deal bigger and get a D FFS .

You had multiple assets to include , and Dubas simply got schooled on asset and contract management

Enjoy JT`s decline years , as the best UFA signing in years .
 
JackBurton said:
Marleau is 40. JT is 29.

Giving a past-his-prime 38 year-old 3 years at 6.25 per is crazy. It was so bad it took a 1st rounder to move that last year. And Zaitsev had no business getting 7 years after 1 year in the NHL. The cap hit isn't the issuethe length was.

JT is the best UFA signing by any team in years. Players like that are never available. Bergevin would have gladly given him 13 million per.
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But Bergevin couldn't even angle his friendship with Tavares's agent into a phone interview for the love of God.
 
Except JT would have been a great addition to the Habs. You can argue that the Leafs didn't "need" him. They'd have been better off spending on a top end dman. But that's easier said than done.
 
Exit716 said:
But Bergevin couldn't even angle his friendship with Tavares's agent into a phone interview for the love of God.
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well let’s be honest, Tavares was in his late 20’s and interviewed with teams that had cup potential. we did not have cup potential. The homoetown aspect played in the leafs favour in the end.
 
Habspatrol said:
Except JT would have been a great addition to the Habs. You can argue that the Leafs didn't "need" him. They'd have been better off spending on a top end dman. But that's easier said than done.
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I agree , he would have been better off signing with the Habs. He would have been the # 1 centre , much more needed and appreciated, treated like royalty by the fans, etc.
 
GEEMAN said:
Marleau wasnt your problem , the JT contract ( not the player) created your mess .

Your punk GM totally miscalculated the consequences of adding an 11 mil player ( 5th most important player on your team)

You paid him before you took care of your 2 most important forwards in the last 20 years .

He was a luxury you didnt need and its been a scramble job ever since trying to fix your roster

Giving up a first for Marleau was a joke by Dubas , make the deal bigger and get a D FFS .

You had multiple assets to include , and Dubas simply got schooled on asset and contract management

Enjoy JT`s decline years , as the best UFA signing in years .
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No Marleau was clearly the issue. You don't overpay for supporting talent like that.
Mind explaining what those multiple assets were Carolina would have accepted for Marleau?
 
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