• Moderators, please send me a PM if you are unable to access mod permissions. Thanks, Habsy.

Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

That's a fantastic deal for the Sens.

Much better than signing him to a McAvoy/Werenski-esque bridge deal.
 
EK's second contract was 10.1% for 7, this is 9.8% for 8. Relatively good deal, although Chabot is unlikely to reach Karlsson's level.
 
Deckie007 said:
I used to be a big fan, and I still appreciate his work, but his past few lists have been pretty suspect. His recency bias is very obvious.
Click to expand...

I'm torn on him. Whether he's really smart and has just developed the same bad, lazy habits that other online/media scouts have, once he got "accepted" by them or whether he's dumb and just fell into one really good idea a bunch of years ago, to ignore all the fancy scouting jargon that doesn't really make sense and just not ignore the numbers. His best takes from his prime period were when he ignored size and traditional scouting stuff and looked at age/level appropriate offensive production. He started getting himself into "trouble" shortly after that when he started picking and choosing which physical tools were more important than others (he had a year long love affair with passing/hockey IQ, and valued it independent of skating) and from there he devolved into just another one of the rest of the bag we already had, using arguments like "was dominant at the WJHC" in absence of real analysis. The last time I really read his work I saw glimpses of him realizing the importance of his old trick, but then he would quickly talk himself out of it using nonsense scouting jargon.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Can someone cut and paste that Pronman article please?
Click to expand...

  1. Edmonton Oilers

Previous U23 ranking: No. 1
Farm Ranking: No. 9

Core: Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Philip Broberg, Evan Bouchard, Jesse Puljujarvi, Dmitri Samorukov, Tyler Benson, Raphael Lavoie, Kailer Yamamoto, Caleb Jones

Key additions: Philip Broberg, Raphael Lavoie

Key subtractions/graduations: Darnell Nurse

I would tell Oilers fans the future is bright, but I don’t think they’d believe me, and I wouldn’t blame them. Regardless, they have the clear best young core of players, headed by the best player in the game in McDavid, with Draisaitl being among the very best as well. Beyond that, they have a top 10 farm system, including two top-end defense prospects in Bouchard and Broberg.

  1. Buffalo Sabres

Previous U23 ranking: No. 2
Farm Ranking: No. 18

Core: Jack Eichel, Rasmus Dahlin, Sam Reinhart, Dylan Cozens, Casey Mittelstadt, Henri Jokiharju, Oskari Laaksonen, Ryan Johnson, Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, Tage Thompson

Key additions: Dylan Cozens, Henri Jokiharju, Ryan Johnson

Key subtractions/graduations: Rasmus Ristolainen, Alexander Nylander

The Sabres have made a lot of lottery picks in recent years, including No. 1 overall Dahlin, two No. 2 overalls in Eichel and Reinhart, and getting Cozens and Mittelstadt in the top 10. The hope for Sabres fans is that they can turn that group of highly talented players into a good NHL team. There is enough upside within this group to help the Sabres materialize into a contender. They will need Cozens, Mittelstadt and Jokiharju, among others, to pan out, which isn’t a given but the potential is there.

  1. Toronto Maple Leafs

Previous U23 ranking: No. 4
Farm Ranking: No. 21

Core: Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, William Nylander, Kasperi Kapanen, Rasmus Sandin, Travis Dermott, Nicholas Robertson, Jeremy Bracco, Joseph Woll, Timothy Liljegren

Key additions: Nicholas Robertson

Key subtractions/graduations: Carl Grundstrom

The Leafs are one of the best teams in the NHL and a lot of their top players are still rather young in Matthews, Marner and Nylander. Seeing the progress of players like Kapanen, Sandin and Bracco last season only helps stretch out the depth of the team and makes sure they have options as they try to make runs the next few seasons.
 
for reference

Career (reg season)

C Matthews (22, #1): 212gms, ES 15:08 (A- qoc), 2.68p/60, 2.34p1/60, 51.7cf% (+0.6rel), 52.9xgf% (+2.0rel) --- PP 2:24, 6.51p/60, 5.09p1/60
D Dahlin (19, #1): 82gms, ES 17:45 (C+ qoc), 0.82p/60, 0.41p1/60, 51.0cf% (+2.4rel), 50.3xgf% (+4.0rel) ----- PP 2:47, 5.51p/60, 3.15p1/60

W Marner (22, #4): 241gms, ES 14:16 (A- qoc), 2.39p/60, 1.94p1/60, 51.1cf% (-0.2rel), 51.2xgf% (+0.1rel) --- PP 2:22, 6.94p/60, 4.63p1/60
C Eichel (23, #4): 286gms, ES 15:26 (A- qoc), 1.95p/60, 1.55p1/60, 48.0cf% (+0.4rel), 48.2xgf% (+0.9rel) ---- PP 3:15, 5.80p/60, 3.80p1/60

W Nylander (23, #8): 239gms, ES 13:38 (B qoc), 2.01p/60, 1.49p1/60, 53.1cf% (+2.3rel), 52.7xgf% (+2.5rel) -- PP 2:09. 5.48p/60, 4.19p1/60
W Reinhart (24, #2): 322gms, ES 13:55 (B+ qoc), 1.63p/60, 1.25p1/60, 50.0cf% (+3.2rel), 50.4xgf% (+4.6rel) -- PP 3:02., 3.94p/60, 3.51p1/60

W Kapanen (23, #22): 133gms, ES 12:26 (C+ qoc), 1.67p/60, 1.27p1/60, 52.6cf% (+1.3rel), 51.6xgf% (+0.9rel) - PP 0:36, 2.28p/60, 0.76p1/60
W Mittelstadt (21, #8): 83gms, ES 11:28 (C- qoc), 1.20p/60, 1.01p1/60, 46.3cf% (-3.9rel), 44.5xgf% (-3.6rel) --- PP 1:45, 4.52p/60, 2.06p1/60

D Dermott (23, #34): 101gms, ES 15:38 (D+ qoc), 0.95p/60, 0.42p1/60, 55.3cf% (+5.1rel), 53.7xgf% (+3.6rel) -- PP 0:07, 0.00p/60, 0.00p1/60
W Thompson (22, #26): 106gms, ES 10:58 (C qoc), 0.88p/60, 0.72p1/60, 47.9cf% (-2.4rel), 42.3xgf% (-7.6rel) -- PP 0:56, 1.21p/60, 1.21p1/60

D Jokiharju (20, #29): 37gms, ES 16:52 (B qoc), 0.77p/60, 0.48p1/60, 52.9cf% (+5.1rel), 46.1xgf% (+3.7rel) ---- PP 1:01, 1.62p/60, 0.00p1/60
D Sandin (19, #29): AHL Age 18: 44gms, 6gls, 28pts (82gms, 11gls, 52pts) ---- CHL Age 17: 51gms, 12gls, 45pts (82gms, 19gls, 72pts)
D Jokiharju (20, #29): AHL Age 19: 30gms, 2gls, 17pts (82gms, 6gls, 47pts) --- CHL Age 17: 71gms, 9gls, 48pts (82gms, 10gls, 55pts)

D Liljegren (20, #17): AHL Age 18-19: 87gms, 4gls, 38pts (82gms, 4gls, 36pts)
D Liljegren (20, #17): SHL Age 17: 19gms, 1gls, 5pts (82gms, 4gls, 22pts)
D Johnson (18, #31): USHL Age 17: 54gms, 6gls, 25pts (82gms, 9gls, 38pts)

W Bracco (22, #61): AHL Age 20-21: 125gms, 28gls, 111pts (82gms, 18gls, 73pts)
D Kokkonen (18, #84): SML Age 17: 56gms, 3gls, 20pts (82gms, 5gls, 29pts) ---- more appropriate comp, to be honest.
D Laaksonen (20, #89): SML Age 18-19: 67gms, 3gls, 28pts (82gms, 4gls, 34pts)
D Laaksonen (20, #89): SML Age 18: 21gms, 0gls, 4pts (82gms, 0gls, 16pts)


C Cozens (18, #7): CHL Age 17: 68gms, 34gls, 84pts (82gms, 41gls, 101pts)
W Robertson (18, #53): CHL Age 17: 54gms, 27gls, 55pts (82gms, 41gls, 84pts)

G Woll (21, #62): NCAA Age 19: 30gms, .915sv% / G Scott (20, #110): CHL Age 19: 49gms, .932sv%
G Luukkonen (20, #54): CHL Age 19: 50gms, .923sv%
 
Regarding Pronman, I used to like when he would argue a players draft position against other similar players in the same tier. It reads/feels now like he has to write for "work", where his early stuff was more "writing for fun/passion".
 
zeke said:
Yeah buffalo over toronto is a head scratcher.

Kapanen-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Nylander-Bracco

Sandin-Liljegren
Dermott-

Woll


Reinhart-Eichel-Mittlestadt
Thompson-Cozens

Dahlin-Jokiharju
Johnson-Laaksonen

Luukonen



But it's nice to see that the leafs are the only likely top 5 contender this year also to finish top 5 here.
Click to expand...

They are 2-3 in rankings , no biggie. Buffalo has higher untapped potential .
 
Having more prospects who haven't yet fulfilled their pre-draft projections ≠ "higher untapped potential".

And even without diving deeper into the prospect lists, from a quality>quantity perspective there's a vast, gaping chasm in quality between Matthews, Marner & Nylander and whoever you think Buffalo's top three under-23 players are.
 
BeLeafer said:
The statement might hold if it were a prospects ranking.
Click to expand...
It might, but it would still depend on the hype that a prospect like Mittelstadt has generated. He's kind of not good currently, had middling production in the NCAA (a level that high end prospects has historically lit up) and on pure eye test doesn't have any stand out skills aside from passing ability, which is cool if you move around the ice and create space like Mitch Marner, but he doesn't.

But the hockey media still keeps trying to convince us that he's an elite prospect. They did the same with Reinhart. Remember not so long ago when they used to compare Reinhart to Marner and claim that Reinhart was the better prospect?

Pepperidge fucking farms remembers.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top