Agreed, and the problem is with these minor hockey coaches who think they're the next Pat Quinn or Mike Keenan. I never experienced that kind of coach when I was in minor hockey and never saw it. But as an adult I can recall going to minor hockey games involving my friends' kids and I was appalled by some of the behaviors I witnessed, both from the parents in the stands and the coaches.I know you're talking about pro hockey and that's fine but the culture runs deep into all levels of hockey. As an 8-10 year old I took nonstop verbal abuse/berating from coaches because I didn't throw enough body checks. I was tall and more into the skill part of the game and didn't really care about throwing my body around. They were really mad because I was a particular height and didn't try to murder people enough.
But being emasculated and verbally tortured in front of my teammates for 4-5 days a week back then was way worse and harder on me than the physical abuse they put me through. That wasn't very fun either (and it happened for the same reasons) but the other stuff hit harder. I just wanted to play hockey and I wanted it to be fun. It wasn't really. But I did it anyway because I felt like I had to.
Yeah, if you talked back to a coach, no matter how shitty, unreasonable or abusive they were, you had an attitude problem. Thats why nobody that has ever played sports is surprised by the Kyle Beach situation.ya - i quit hockey in pee wee because of coaches
and i was in fucking house league
note: same verbal abuse stuff - then i finally told him off and he tried to rat me out for it to my parents- that did not go as well as he thought it would haha
Friday.No neck surgery yet, I guess?
It isn’t. Crazy behaviour has been tolerated for too long in all professional environments.Why is coaching or professional sports different than any other profession or workplace regarding verbal abuse?
Johnsson deal is an ugly one. They should have dealt him before the contract.I get that it's fun for Leaf haters to hype that up but... meh?
I still think almost all of these were the right decisions.
It isn’t. Crazy behaviour has been tolerated for too long in all professional environments.
I’ve seen it first hand… berating EAs and students, a 50 year old who had a temper tantrum at 3am, tore up the deal documents and then sat in a corner of a board room and cried it out. I once got yelled at for using letters instead of Roman numerals to sequence section titles. A colleague once got yelled at for not challenging the (incorrect) instructions she was given.
just mental stuff that has been tolerated for reasons I don’t understand.
Guessing you don't actually think they started an investigation over just yelling in the locker room though.
it's nothing compared to the Navy Seals
And hey, it's possible for both Navy Seals + hockey culture to be bad even if they're at varying degrees. Two things can be true! Needless to say, yeah... this isn't about the volume in which they speak. I don't think anyone has outlawed volume levels. Thought that was obvious but maybe I'm wrong!
Slightly different contexts though. It doesn't require the same mental conditioning to prepare to play hockey at a high level as it does to literally kill people.
That's kind of my point though, that the closest cultural analogues to hockey culture are things like military/seal culture where the programming is literally designed to break down your natural human reaction to murder and death says exactly what I was intending to say.