Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

[zeke]

Jets look better free from Maurice.

 

[Volcanologist]

Poor Panthers

 

[LeafOfFaith]

Nobody mentioned the Sens smushing the Bruins yesterday?

 

[zeke]

Georgiev ain't no Kuemper.

 

[MindzEye]

That was a head scratcher move from the avs...

Better hope francouz is real gud

 

[JackBurton]

I thought both Tampa and Colorado had poor offseasons. I have no idea what Brisbois was thinking with that Nick paul contract. Just find the next Nick Paul at this years' deadline. 7 years?
Also, I like Sergachev, but 8.5 was a little pricy

 

[zeke]

We'll see how it goes for them but it sure seems like both fell in love with the smell of their own farts this offseason and outsmarted themselves by thinking their success was based on their genius in finding hidden gems rather than their stacked top of the lineups.

 

[JackBurton]

People often don't even look at the elite talent. Hockey can sometimes be about things like Colorado losing-then winning the Makar draft. That got them a cup.
We've been brainwashed for years with Don Cherry montages about 4th liners in fights who were the real reason teams won.
Look at old clips of what Cherry thought about a prime Gretzky. It was pretty hilarious.

 

[leafman101]

Its true. The average Cup winner has an elite 1C, 1W, 1D and G, 3 additional 1st line forwards and #2/3 dmen, and then a bunch of average depth.

We have most of those boxes checked:

1C: Matthews
1W: Marner
1LF: Nylander, Tavares, Bunting (Robertson?)
2/3D: Muzzin, Brodie, Gio (Lilly, Sandin?)
average depth: Engvall, Kerfoot, Jarnkrok, Kampf, NAK, ZAR, Holl
1G: uh.....

 

[LeafGm]

Its true. The average Cup winner has an elite 1C, 1W, 1D and G, 3 additional 1st line forwards and #2/3 dmen, and then a bunch of average depth.

We have most of those boxes checked:

1C: Matthews
1W: Marner
1LF: Nylander, Tavares, Bunting (Robertson?)
2/3D: Muzzin, Brodie, Gio (Lilly, Sandin?)
average depth: Engvall, Kerfoot, Jarnkrok, Kampf, NAK, ZAR, Holl
1G: uh.....

Did you just forget Rielly, or you don’t think he’s at least a 2/3D?

 

[leafman101]

He's the 1D, just missed it.

Last 4 years GSVA 2.8, 1.7, 0.9, 3.1

 

[zeke]

Its true. The average Cup winner has an elite 1C, 1W, 1D and G, 3 additional 1st line forwards and #2/3 dmen, and then a bunch of average depth.

We have most of those boxes checked:

1C: Matthews
1W: Marner
1LF: Nylander, Tavares, Bunting (Robertson?)
2/3D: Muzzin, Brodie, Gio (Lilly, Sandin?)
average depth: Engvall, Kerfoot, Jarnkrok, Kampf, NAK, ZAR, Holl
1G: uh.....

So to compare....

C1 3.8 ---- Matthews 6.2
C2 2.4 ---- Tavares 2.9
C3 0.7 ---- Kerfoot 1.1
C4 0.3 ----- Kampf -0.1

W1 3.1 ---- Marner 4.6
W2 2.4 ---- Nylander 2.7
W3 2.4 ---- Bunting 2.8
W4 1.3 ---- Robertson -0.1
W5 1.0 ---- Engvall 0.7
W6 0.8 ---- Jarnkrok 0.3
W7 0.3 ---- ZAR 0.1
W8 0.0 ---- NAK 0.0

D1 2.5 ----- Rielly 2.3
D2 1.6 ----- Giordano 1.6
D3 1.1 ----- Liljegren 1.6
D4 1.1 ----- Brodie 1.3
D5 0.9 ----- Muzzin 1.1
D6 0.4 ----- Sandin 1.1
D7 ---- ------ Holl 0.8

G1 3.0 ------ Murray 0.7 / Samsonov 0.2

 

[leafman101]

Yep, and before last year Jarnkrok was 1.1 GSVA.

also, our D is amazing.

 

[MindzEye]

Mild critique....kerfoot is no center. At minimum, we can't be using his gsva from tagging along with willy and jt like its transferable to 3C

 

[CH1]

We'll see how it goes for them but it sure seems like both fell in love with the smell of their own farts this offseason and outsmarted themselves by thinking their success was based on their genius in finding hidden gems rather than their stacked top of the lineups.

both teams had severe cap problems

 

[zeke]

Mild critique....kerfoot is no center. At minimum, we can't be using his gsva from tagging along with willy and jt like its transferable to 3C

maybe, but he's been good so far this year at C. #1 or #2 of all leafs forwards in gf%, xgf%, sf%, ff% while being near the bottom on ozs%.

 

[zeke]

both teams had severe cap problems

they do, but they still chose to lose top-roster players while spending more than they may have needed to on complementary players.


TB chose to give $8.5m longterm to Sergy who has never been asked to play more than a sheltered role before, and then spent $11-12m on the likes of Paul, Namestnikov Cole Myers. Not keeeping their #2D and #4F may have been the right decision longterm but i don't know if spending that money on support players was the way to go.

COL also let some high end talent go while spending $19m on support guys like Nichushkin Lehkonen Manson Georgiev,

Those are cap choices not just lack of capsapce.

They;re still both excellent teams but there's a hint of them not appreciating the high end talent they may have been somewhat fortunate to have while falling in love with their ability to find clever depth adds.

 

[Preston]

maybe, but he's been good so far this year at C. #1 or #2 of all leafs forwards in gf%, xgf%, sf%, ff% while being near the bottom on ozs%.

I mean maybe he developed into a legit 3c at age 28 but it has been 4 October games

 

[zeke]

or maybe he's just a legit 3C.

 

[CH1]

they do, but they still chose to lose top-roster players while spending more than they may have needed to on complementary players.


TB chose to give $8.5m longterm to Sergy who has never been asked to play more than a sheltered role before, and then spent $11-12m on the likes of Paul, Namestnikov Cole Myers. Not keeeping their #2D and #4F may have been the right decision longterm but i don't know if spending that money on support players was the way to go.

COL also let some high end talent go while spending $19m on support guys like Nichushkin Lehkonen Manson Georgiev,

Those are cap choices not just lack of capsapce.

They;re still both excellent teams but there's a hint of them not appreciating the high end talent they may have been somewhat fortunate to have while falling in love with their ability to find clever depth adds.

fair enough but I think with Sergy, they are looking at potential upside — he just turned 24 and his minutes have been constantly rising