Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

[Habsy]

But there's not no reason. The Habs did the exact same thing, they doubled down on weirdo one and done playoff success. The attempt collapsed spectacularly though instead of shuffling along like a zombie for multiple seasons. Which is good in the end.

When the sum equals zero cups you look at other metrics. The Leafs are a good regular season team and that leads you to believe their playoff issues are just bad luck or goaltending. Year after year.

I'm saying that it isn't. A few rounds in the playoffs blows away a presidents trophy.

 

[hockeylover]

The point isn't even a controversial one and the Habs fit the mold as a better example than every other team out there. Are we supposed to ignore that so that habsy's feelings aren't hurt?

if we want the board not to get shut down again, yes.

 

[Volcanologist]

where do you guys fall in the "hart trophy winners should be on playoff teams" fight? i'd still likely give it to mcdavid because the next guy isn't particularly close but some feel strongly the other way.

If they don't make the postseason and he keeps this up though, that's going to be an incredibly awkward test of the yes argument. I do think that being an important cog on a good team > being one on a bad team though in most cases. thing is McDavid's performance is so crazy that it kinda breaks this rule.

 

[Habsy]

The point isn't even a controversial one and the Habs fit the mold as a better example than every other team out there. Are we supposed to ignore that so that habsy's feelings aren't hurt?

My feelings aren't hurt. I am literally laughing in your face dude.

Pathetic the rationalizations

 

[Habsy]

if we want the board not to get shut down again, yes.

Salty.

I won't escalate it with you because you'll just cry.

 

[hockeylover]

If they don't make the postseason and he keeps this up though, that's going to be an incredibly awkward test of the yes argument. I do think that being an important cog on a good team > being one on a bad team though in most cases. thing is McDavid's performance is so crazy that it kinda breaks this rule.

I think that sums it up pretty well for me too.

 

[Habsy]

Thanks all. Refreshed my enjoyment in the Leafs troubles in post season.

 

[MindzEye]

This is stupid that you can't see the Leafs were NOT an elite playoff team. Just regular season.

I was fine until zeke pulled this BS our of his ass then the Leafers circle jerk over an idiocy.

Leafs haven't done anything after April. Zero.

Eh, there's no magic diffentiation between regular season club and playoff club from what I can find. Largely made up media narrative bullshit.

There hasn't been a consistently elite regular season team that didn't have some measure of playoff success eventually. Even the consistently elite regular season teams that never go on to win a cup (Thornton & Marleau San Jose, Smashville era Nashville, Hitchcock era Blues, T-1000 Sens, etc) all eventually had some measure of playoff success. Shit the Sharks and T-1000 are maybe our most relevant cautionary tales and they both made the finals.

This Leaf group is punished in the narrative for making the playoffs faster than other young groups typically do. This core has never missed the playoffs when most young groups spend 3-4 years in the wilderness first. It seriously warps the public assessment of them.

 

[Habsy]

Eh, there's no magic diffentiation between regular season club and playoff club from what I can find. Largely made up media narrative bullshit.

There hasn't been a consistently elite regular season team that didn't have some measure of playoff success eventually. Even the consistently elite regular season teams that never go on to win a cup (Thornton & Marleau San Jose, Smashville era Nashville, Hitchcock era Blues, T-1000 Sens, etc) all eventually had some measure of playoff success. Shit the Sharks and T-1000 are maybe our most relevant cautionary tales and they both made the finals.

This Leaf group is punished in the narrative for making the playoffs faster than other young groups typically do. This core has never missed the playoffs when most young groups spend 3-4 years in the wilderness first. It seriously warps the public assessment of them.

You make it harder to hate on leaf fans. Please stop.

 

[MindzEye]

When the sum equals zero cups you look at other metrics.

I am looking at other metrics. But other metrics that matter. If you're not an elite team in the regular season, you have as close to zero chance to win a cup as is possible. So start there. There's no correlation between being a ~90 point team full of gritty playoff vets that won a round and winning a cup. There's is direct correlation between being a top 5-7 regular season team and winning cups.

 

[zeke]

Connor's on pace for 152 points. How the hell do you not manage to put a team around him that can make the playoffs?

Let's be honest mcD is trying to set a record for emptiest point totals in history.

 

[Habsy]

I am looking at other metrics. But other metrics that matter. If you're not an elite team in the regular season, you have as close to zero chance to win a cup as is possible. So start there. There's no correlation between being a ~90 point team full of gritty playoff vets that won a round and winning a cup. There's is direct correlation between being a top 5-7 regular season team and winning cups.

Granted however there are two mutually exclusive things here.

While an elite team in the regular season has a better shot at a cup. A cup winner does not need to be an elite team.

Same as an elite regular season team does not necessarily make an elite playoff team.

Why? There are actually two different style of games at play so using the metrics for the regular season to predict playoffs is akin to using American football to project Canadian football playoffs. The game is called differently. If someone is unable to understand this variable then they're bound to miscalculate playoff performance.

 

[GEEMAN]

Except I don't know that at all.

I know that the vast, vast majority of championships are won by elite regular season teams. If you're not an elite regular season team, your chance of winning a championship is more or less nil and the amount of weirdo one and done championship runs in the last ~30 years can be counted on one hand with fingers to spare. St Louis & the Kings 1st cup run. That's it. That's the list. If you think that I value a mediocre team winning a few rounds surrounded by seasons of mediocrity (or worse), you're out of your mind. Even the two examples I provided above were top 5 teams in the 2nd half of the regular season. Both started their cup runs in January-February basically. If you're not good enough to be dominant in the regular season, you just don't win a cup and I could seriously give zero fucks about being 6-7 in the conference and sneaking a series win out.


It's why we get mocked, but you're all idiots for mocking it. The measure of success is being good enough to win a cup, point blank period. Only elite regular season clubs win cups, again, point blank period. All you can do to somewhat control your own destiny is to build an elite team and then pray to whatever god you believe in when spring rolls around. All of these one and done weirdo runs (yes, like the Habs recent run) provide evidence to this point. If you're a mediocre or worse team that won a few rounds, the worst thing you can do is to fall in love with the smell of your own farts and double down on a bad team.

Will this Leafs group win a cup? Dunno. Are they the type of club that wins one though? Yeah, they are. Top 5-7 regular season club with no apparent glaring weaknesses (goaltending tbd). One of those wins the cup almost every year.

The Habs one year genie in a bottle is a once in a lifetime event

Covid gave a 24th place lousy team a playoff lifeline

Nero knew WTF he was doing as the pandemic ravaged on and a revamped shortened season was coming

Get big and tough and pray Price and Webers ligaments last a few rounds while playing a weaker division shortened season

Habs were 100000% certain to get back to crap and need a full long overdue rebuild

 

[Habsy]

And for the record dude, there's several people here that I wish a deep playoff run for the Leafs for, then there some that I just want to see them shit the bed.

What a conundrum

 

[Habsy]

The Habs one year genie in a bottle is a once in a lifetime event

Covid gave a 24th place lousy team a playoff lifeline

Nero knew WTF he was doing as the pandemic ravaged on and a revamped shortened season was coming

Get big and tough and pray Price and Webers ligaments last a few rounds while playing a weaker division shortened season

Habs were 100000% certain to get back to crap and need a full long overdue rebuild

Now step away from that one cup run, which I traveled the country with friends and family and my youngest and had a blast, and you'll still see more.

Love it when people tell me that wasn't fun.

 

[hockeylover]

ahh, poor ME is gonna do all the leg work to show elite teams win almost every single time for it just to be dismissed outright.

 

[hockeylover]

if the goaltending holds up in the playoffs but we lose a close one again to the lightning, is there anyone who'd be on team dubas to stay?

 

[Preston]

if the goaltending holds up in the playoffs but we lose a close one again to the lightning, is there anyone who'd be on team dubas to stay?

I'm probably team dubas even if the goaltending blows up. But in the scenario you outlined, for sure yeah.

 

[hockeylover]

I'm probably team dubas even if the goaltending blows up. But in the scenario you outlined, for sure yeah.

think i'm the same. also think there's a higher likelihood matthews re-signs if he's back.

 

[Preston]

I mean the guy has given an elite team several kicks at the can by doing things to extend the window as long as possible. Eventually you have to have faith that a consistent top 5-7 team breaks through. It doesn't always happen but the longer the window is the more likely it eventually happens. Basic maths.