Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

[Habsy]

can give you my family latke recipe, in exchange for your foreskin

I'll take that in exchange for a Tzatziki recipe that will kill anything you've tried. So good on proteins. Lamb, duck, chicken, pork.

 

[zeke]

FFS. You're playing dumb. It's out if his mouth all the time and confirmed by reporters. Must of it is on videos and I'm working. Not doing that.

Go ahead and use it as an out but the parity is attempted daily.

I think in all those articles the closest thing to "parity" he said was "competitive balance", which aren't the same thing. Obviously the cap makes it easier for poor teams to compete. it doesn't make it easier for poorly managed teams to compete, though.

So then we get to the part where we look at the league and don't see any more parity than there was before, or that there is in any other league.

 

[CH1]

can give you my family latke recipe, in exchange for your foreskin

Way too late with that one. I traded my foreskin for Habsy’s Tsatziki recipe a decade ago

 

[Habsy]

View: https://youtu.be/asL5lkIewgg?si=4rB769M07qZeCqhL


5:40 mark. Competitive balance.

Fuck you for making me listen to that turd.

 

[Habsy]

I think in all those articles the closest thing to "parity" he said was "competitive balance", which aren't the same thing. Obviously the cap makes it easier for poor teams to compete. it doesn't make it easier for poorly managed teams to compete, though.

So then we get to the part where we look at the league and don't see any more parity than there was before, or that there is in any other league.

Yes they are. It's the new term for parity they're using.

I'm not going to start parsing words. Agree to disagree.

 

[Habsy]

Way too late with that one. I traded my foreskin for Habsy’s Tsatziki recipe a decade ago

I've tweaked it since.

 

[Wayward DP]

Way too late with that one. I traded my foreskin for Habsy’s Tsatziki recipe a decade ago

I'll accept the tzatziki recipe in lieu

 

[CH1]

I've tweaked it since.

Part of our deal was not knowing how you used my foreskin

 

[Habsy]

Part of our deal was not knowing how you used my foreskin

 

[Wayward DP]

Part of our deal was not knowing how you used my foreskin

why do you think he tweaked his tzatziki recipe?

 

[Wayward DP]

okay, my parity research.

here is my method. I am going to focus on a couple specific parity metrics, and how they have changed over time. I'll do the five seasons leading up to the lockout, and the five most recent. I picked my metrics before I looked at any data so you cannot accuse me of bias.

1 - gap between top teams and bottom teams. average of the top 5 teams in the league's point totals, vs. average of the bottom 5.
2 - playoff bubble. what is the spread between team's 7-10 in each conference.
1999-2000
1) Top-5 teams: 106.4 points; bottom-5 teams: 58.8 points. Difference: 47.6
2) East: 5 point gap; West: 5 point gap. Average: 5 point gap

2000-01
1) top-5: 111 points, bottom-5: 60.6 points. Difference: 50.4
2) East: 18 point gap; West: 12 point gap. Average: 15 point gap

2001-02
1) top-5: 103; bottom 5: 61.8. Difference: 41.2
2) East: 12 point gap; West: 5 point gap. Average: 8.5 point gap

2002-03
1) top-5: 109.8; bottom-5: 67.4. Difference: 42.4
2) East: 10 point gap; West: 16 point gap. Average: 13 point gap

2003-04
1) top-5: 105.2; bottom-5: 61.2. Difference: 44
2) East: 15 point gap, West: 8 point gap. Average: 11.5 point gap

1999-2004 Averages
Top-5 vs. Bottom-5 - 45.12 points
Playoff bubble - 10.6 points

2018-19
1) top-5: 109.8; bottom-5: 71.4. Difference: 38.4
2) East: 13 point gap, West: 9 point gap. Average: 11 point gap

2019-20 (COVID SHORTENED)
this season is too difficult to deal with since everyone played a different number of games. I don't have the time to prorate everything.

2020-21 (COVID)

2021-22
1) top-5: 117; bottom-5: 59.2. Difference: 57.8
2) East: 12 points; West: 6 points. Average: 9 points

2022-23
1) top-5: 112.4; bottom-5: 60.8. Difference: 51.6
2) East: 2 points; West: 8 points. Average: 5 points

adding in 2017-18 to account for the covid shortened seasons and increase the sample size...
1) top-5: 113; bottom-5: 68.6. Difference: 44.4
2) East: 14 points; West: 6 points. Average: 10 points

2017 - 2023 (covid omitted) Averages
Top-5 vs. Bottom-5 - 48.05 points
Playoff bubble - 8.75 points

tldr... zeke may be right.

 

[zeke]

Which one of these years had more parity, the year before OTL, the year before the lockout, or last year?

99/00 --- 03/04 --- 22/23

DAL 114 --- DET 109 --- BOS 135
NJD 105 --- TBL 106 --- CAR 113
OTT 103 --- SJS 104 --- NJD 112
COL 98 --- BOS 104 --- TOR 111
TOR 97 --- TOR 103 --- VGK 111
XXXXX --- OTT 102 --- EDM 109
DET 93--- VAN 101 --- COL 109
PHI 93 --- PHI 101 --- DAL 108
BOS 91 --- NJD 100 --- NYR 107
BUF 91 --- COL 100 --- LAK 104
XXXXX --- XXXXX --- MIN 103
PHX 90 --- DAL 97 --- SEA 100
PIT 90 --- CGY 94 --- TBL 98
STL 87--- MTL 93 --- WPG 95
CAR 86 --- STL 91 --- NYI 93
XXXXX --- NYI 91 --- CGY 93
ANA 83--- NSH 91 --- FLA 92
SJS 80-- EDM 89 --- NSH 92
EDM 78 --- BUF 85 --- PIT 91
FLA 78 --- MIN 83 --- BUF 91
NYR 77 --- LAK 81 --- OTT 86
XXXXX --- XXXXX --- VAN 83
MTL 75 --- ATL 78 --- STL 81
CGY 72 --- ANA 76 --- DET 80
CHI 70 --- CAR 76 --- WH 80
LAK 69 --- FLA 75 -- PHI 75
XXXXX --- NYR 69 --- ARZ 70
WSH 68 --- PHX 68 --- MTL 68
NSH 63 --- CBJ 62 --- SJS 60
NYI 58 --- WSH 59 --- CHI 59
VAN 58 --- CHI 59 --- CBJ 59
TBL 47 --- PIT 58 --- ANA 58​

Gap Between 1st and Last:

98-99: 67pts
03-04: 51pts
22-23: 77pts

Gap Between 2nd and 2nd Last:

98-99: 47pts
03-04: 47pts
22-23: 54pts

Gap Between 1st and 27th (only 27 teams in '99):

98-99: 67pts
03-04: 47pts
22-23: 65pts

Gap between 2nd and 26th:

98-99: 47pts
03-04: 38pts
22-23: 38pts

Gap between 1st and 16th:

98-99: 36pts
03-04: 18pts
22-23: 42pts

Gap between 2nd and 15th:

98-99: 25pts
03-04: 15pts
22-23: 20pts

Teams within 4pts of the last playoffs spot:

98-99: 5 of 27
03-04: 6 of 30
22-23: 7 of 32

Teams within 8pts of the last playoffs spot:

98-99: 9 of 27
03-04: 9 of 30
22-23: 10 of 32

 

[Habsy]

If you look at the top and bottom five yeah, which in stats are usually outliers and trimmed. At least the top two and bottom two..

The parity thing has morphed into "competitive balance". Holy crock of steaming pile of opaqueness. The NHL simply can't afford a lot of teams sucking. Fairweather fans and such. Hence game management or is that a myth too?

The thumb is on the scale, even if everso slight.

 

[zeke]

The NHL simply can't afford a lot of teams sucking. Fairweather fans and such. Hence game management or is that a myth too?

and yet it's been largely the same shitty teams sucking for years.

 

[Slinger 48]

I smoked a small bowl just before reopening this thread.

Shoulda opted for the larger one I think.

 

[worm]

Still waiting to hear how there's no parity...

Parity means all the teams make the playoffs. That doesn't exist.

 

[JackBurton]

parity is the goal of very pro league...otherwise the amateur draft would be banned

nobody wants a league with three HARLEM GLOBETROTTERS and 29 Washington Generals

Well NBA's done ok with a very predictable outcome yearly and superstar teams that win every year

 

[JackBurton]

Salt Lake City is a great hockey market. Looking forward to seeing it succeed. Now why is there a team in Columbus, Ohio?

 

[Volcanologist]

a cap actually punishes badly managed teams more than no cap does.

one look at the Leafs the last 20 years and I'd be tempted to agree, but we both know the intention of the salary cap and loser points is not to "punish badly managed teams". which get punished cap or no cap...again, Leafs.

 

[Volcanologist]

then why do i cry at night?

'tis the fate of most phonyponies, I suspect