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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

the intention of loser points was to stop teams in the dead puck era from settling for ties and go for the win instead. the fact that they kept changing OT to 4v4 then 3v3, even after already putting in the supposedly parity-inducing extra point, proves even more that this was the intention all along.

the intention of the cap was to limit league spending to a workable percentage of league revenues, guaranteeing franchise value growth.


even if parity had resulted, it would have at most been a by-product of those intentions.

but parity hasn't resulted anyways.
 
zeke said:
the intention of loser points was to stop teams in the dead puck era from settling for ties and go for the win instead. the fact that they kept changing OT to 4v4 then 3v3, even after already putting in the supposedly parity-inducing extra point, proves even more that this was the intention all along.

the intention of the cap was to limit league spending to a workable percentage of league revenues, guaranteeing franchise value growth.


even if parity had resulted, it would have at most been a by-product of those intentions.

but parity hasn't resulted anyways.
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Competitive balance exists though

No dynasties.
 
zeke said:
and yet it's been largely the same shitty teams sucking for years.
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Well when you have shitty ownership and the inability to spend to the cap and actually be able to afford LTIR (which benefits the richer teams) yeah those clubs will always have issues but you're using outliers in your analysis and ignoring the mushy middle. That's where they need to keep fan attention.
 
worm said:
Competitive balance exists though

No dynasties.
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no dynasties?

18 Cup Champions in the Cap Era

PIT 3
CHI 3
TBL 2
LAK 2
DET 1
BOS 1
COL 1
VGK 1
ANA 1
CAR 1
WSH 1
STL 1


In the 18 years prior to the Cap:

EDM 3
DET 3
NJD 3
PIT 2
COL 2
TBL 1
CGY 1
MTL 1
NYR 1
DAL 1

and even counting the oilers there as a pre-cap dynasty is a bit generous because their dynasty came before the big-money era in sports which started in the early 90s.
 
zeke said:
no dynasties?

18 Cup Champions in the Cap Era

PIT 3
CHI 3
TBL 2
LAK 2
DET 1
BOS 1
COL 1
VGK 1
ANA 1
CAR 1
WSH 1
STL 1


In the 18 years prior to the Cap:

EDM 3
DET 3
NJD 3
PIT 2
COL 2
TBL 1
CGY 1
MTL 1
NYR 1
DAL 1

and even counting the oilers there as a pre-cap dynasty is a bit generous because their dynasty came before the big-money era in sports which started in the early 90s.
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No dynasties in the 18 years pre cap as well. Agreed.
 
Wayward DP said:
I think zeke may be right here. difficult as that is for all of us to handle.
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If the argument is that there is parity in the NHL then of course that's wrong. We've seen some of the worst teams of all-time in recent years. The haves and have nots have an enormous gap between them and we've seen how hard it has been for the have nots to get to the next level.


If the argument is that bettman wants parity... Well yeah of course he does.
 
The biggest difference between pre/post Cap is players make less.

The top teams still have a fuck load of talent. I am not sure how much less talented those Pens/Tampa/Blackhawks teams were than the 90s dynasties. Maybe a bit, but they'd probably hold their own against the 90s Wings/Avs.
 
Seems pretty simple:

- clear goals of OTL points were a) get rid of ties, and b) get teams to attack more instead of sitting on ties. These goals were attained.

- clear goal of the salary cap was to get a permanent linkage of league spending and revenue, so that all investors know that it is impossible for spending to hit unsustainable levels, rocketing up franchise values. That goal was attained.

- parity wasn't a goal of either, and parity wasn't attained by either.


Best piece of evidence to the contrary:

- Bettman trying to big up competitive balance as a selling point to fans and advertisers and investors in a (rare) year it seemed to be true.
 
leafman101 said:
The biggest difference between pre/post Cap is players make less.
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eh, average team payroll in 03-04 was $45m. Average now is around $75m.

leafman101 said:
The top teams still have a fuck load of talent. I am not sure how much less talented those Pens/Tampa/Blackhawks teams were than the 90s dynasties. Maybe a bit, but they'd probably hold their own against the 90s Wings/Avs.
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I think probably the clearest example of "huge payroll dynasty" was those red wings teams. But funny thing about them is that when they won their back to back cups they weren't a super expensive stacked teams. That was only for the 3rd cup, and tbh they spent a ton of money on really fucking old guys and it could have backfired pretty easily. They were definitely stacked name-wise but man they were old - this was really about the super elite core guys (especially Lidstrom) still being awesome imo, rather than them stacking the team.

Note: This young rookie datsyuk here was not the datsyuk he became. He was a 4th liner getting 10mpg and scored 6pts in that playoffs run.


Shanahan 33 --- Yzerman 36 --- Hull 37
Robitaille 35 --- Fedorov 32 --- Holmstrom 29
Draper 30 --- Larionov 41 --- Maltby 29
Devereaux 23 --- Datsyuk 23 --- McCarty 29
(Williams 21)

Lidstrom 31 --- Chelios 40
Fischer 21 --- Olausson 35
Duchene 36 --- Dandenault 25
(Slegr 30 --- Krupp 36)

Hasek 37
Legace 28
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