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Imagine Weber on the Leafs PP? He draws so much attention that the forwards would have a field day.
 
LeafGm said:
It would hurt a little, but not much.

And like I mentioned, it's the most unlikely way the Weber contract could hurt the Habs. Weber would have to know he'd both be leaving money on the table and hurting his two former teams if he retired, so I don't see why he'd do it.

The bigger danger is Weber wanting to hang on and continue playing too long, but I don't know whether that's likely either.
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We have $8m cap space. If Weber were to retire in this off-season the penalty would be $762K .

It would not hurt at all.

21-22 - $543K
22-23 - $215K

And after that... when he's actually likely to retire there's not penalty against the Habs at all.

Habs have zero worries about him retiring.
 
Altair said:
Preds don't really have much of a team.

Their window is closed, the cap recapture would only make them tanking all that much easier.
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I don't care if fans want a tank... There is no chance they want to risk a $12m or $24m penalty if he retires a year or 2 before his contract is up.
 
Habspatrol said:
I don't care if fans want a tank... There is no chance they want to risk a $12m or $24m penalty if he retires a year or 2 before his contract is up.
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It would simply be a easier pill to swallow.

If they get hit with 12-24 million dollar penalties with a championship caliber team and they need go blow it up, that's a tragedy.

If they get hit with 12-24 million dollar penalties and the team mediocre and they need to blow it up, who really cares?
 
Habspatrol said:
We have $8m cap space. If Weber were to retire in this off-season the penalty would be $762K .

It would not hurt at all.

21-22 - $543K
22-23 - $215K

And after that... when he's actually likely to retire there's not penalty against the Habs at all.

Habs have zero worries about him retiring.
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I think we're just quibbling over language at this point. Cap penalties of $543K and $215K are tiny amounts, but they are amounts that are larger that zero, and they are an opportunity cost whether the Habs planned to use that cap space or not.

Which is why I'm saying "it wouldn't hurt much" rather than "it would not hurt at all". Fundamentally though, it seems like we're in agreement on the likelihood of a Weber retirement and on the impact it'd have on the Habs going forward.


Habsy said:
Imagine Weber on the Leafs PP? He draws so much attention that the forwards would have a field day.
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Weber's obviously a great PP quarterback, but it's tough to get too excited about that idea when your team already has Morgan Rielly and Tyson Barrie.
 
LeafGm said:
I think we're just quibbling over language at this point. Cap penalties of $543K and $215K are tiny amounts, but they are amounts that are larger that zero, and they are an opportunity cost whether the Habs planned to use that cap space or not.

Which is why I'm saying "it wouldn't hurt much" rather than "it would not hurt at all". Fundamentally though, it seems like we're in agreement on the likelihood of a Weber retirement and on the impact it'd have on the Habs going forward.





Weber's obviously a great PP quarterback, but it's tough to get too excited about that idea when your team already has Morgan Rielly and Tyson Barrie.
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i respect Reilly’s game. He’s a good one. If you watched how they constantly cheat to Weber though you’d understand what I’m saying. It would basically give the Leafs a 4 on 3 every time. Habs just don’t have the front end talent to take proper advantage of it.
 
Weber will not "retire". The Preds will pick him up from the Habs when he's done with hockey and book him a cabana spot on their version of Robidas island.
 
MindzEye said:
Weber will not "retire". The Preds will pick him up from the Habs when he's done with hockey and book him a cabana spot on their version of Robidas island.
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Yeah.

Unless weber has some weird axe to grind against Nashville and doesnt like the idea of staying at home making a million a year for nothing.
 
If Montreal is giving him away, I'd be happy taking him. If they're looking for "fuck, we traded PK Subban for this guy" rates, then hard pass.

He's 34 with a lot of hard miles, is a legit injury risk going forward and still carries a pretty significant cap hit (7.85m). Still a nice player, but there's a lot of risk there.
 
The guy is still a stud. That shot still scares people, as it should what with the injuries it has caused.
 
Habspatrol said:
I don't see why not.

If he retires the Preds are screwed. If they have him, they can make sure he goes on the LTIR. The Habs have no reason to make that happen.
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If he retires, he's out money. Why take a pound of flesh to fuck Weber out of money he would otherwise easily earn sitting on LTIR? There's literally no other benefit for the Habs. Take your mid rounder of C prospect and move on. You got your money's worth out of Shea and would be done with him.
 
MindzEye said:
If he retires, he's out money. Why take a pound of flesh to **** Weber out of money he would otherwise easily earn sitting on LTIR? There's literally no other benefit for the Habs. Take your mid rounder of C prospect and move on. You got your money's worth out of Shea and would be done with him.
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Weber will only have $1m a year for the final couple years. I guess it'll come down to what he wants to do.

Trades are all about value. The value of saving $8m, $12m a year is considerable. They don't have to absolutely rape Nashville... but they should get something of value.

I mean the Leafs paid a 1st to save a few mil on Marleau.
 
Habspatrol said:
Weber will only have $1m a year for the final couple years. I guess it'll come down to what he wants to do.
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"only". That's Shea's money you're talking about though.

Trades are all about value. The value of saving $8m, $12m a year is considerable. They don't have to absolutely rape Nashville... but they should get something of value.
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It is about value, but there's literally no other team in the league interested. You have a market of 1. Holding them over a barrel and threatening to fuck a good soldier out of a couple million dollars. That's a bad look.

On the flip side, Weber can just shrug and say he's not retiring, and he shows up to training camp and fails his physical...which is fucking easy. Just take the summer off, go get some surgery you need, etc.

I mean the Leafs paid a 1st to save a few mil on Marleau.
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To save his 6.25 million dollar cap hit. Big difference.
 
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